Sandy Hook school shooting is a hoax

Ever heard of peacocking?

 

If that's what you want to do. . .I suggest doing it in blue. .and with a font about half the size!

It would get a lot more attention, and wouldn't make the "peacock" look like a lawn ornament!

 

Well thanks for your advice on my font choice.

Now kindly go FO/KY!

 

Hey look,

Guy_fawkes_Mask_v2.0 is back!

Great, still on the anti-government movement? I hear ya. Everything those guys say is wrong, and you know the "truth." eehh? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

Keep spreading the good word!

 

Where are you at on this thread son?

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...police-charge-breaking-sandy-hook-report.html

 

You're doing it.

 

Of course I am, and I do it far better then these other idiots do!

What you may want to notice is whether I start willing to engage in exchanging ideas, and respond to these tactics with a little game I call, "Anything you can do, I can do better"..........

 

Have you any idea how paranoid that appears?

 

For someone that complained about the use of ad hominem attacks, you have no problem using them yourself. That's a tad hypocritical, don't you think?

Did you not post this little diatribe? Perhaps someone else is writing your posts for you? Are you trying to claim you're here to argue the defense for folks that hold a view that you don't hold? Why don't I believe that?

You even finish up by admitting that you're not here to "just ask questions" as you asked that I disprove your statements "in their full context" Are you suggesting that I was supposed to disprove your questions? How does one disprove a question?

The only questions you did ask in the post I responded to were false dilemma. "Has the government ever lied?" is a question that sets up this false dilemma. The question was posed in an attempt to confuse people into thinking that either the government is telling the truth about Sandy Hook, or they are lying and Sandy Hook was a "false flag" This is the false dilemma, and each of your questions in that post point to the same false dilemma.

More ad hominem AND a false dilemma right before you complain about ad hominem again. That's funny. I've quoted your entire post in a forum that records and displays entire posts for people to go back to and read for themselves. Go ahead and complain that I've "cherry picked" something.

This is a forum for a multi person discussion. If you want to only speak with Mannie D you can private message him. Since you did not I responded to your thoughts. According to the TOS of this forum, your thoughts are certainly open for discussion, and disagreeing with them is certainly not considered a personal attack. Examples of an actual personal attack would be stating that "[my] brain is a nonsensical mess" or "clearly intellectual honesty is lost on you."

I thought "just asking questions" was the noble duty of every responsible citizen. Are you now saying that some questions might be offensive, and shouldn't be asked? Well, I'll be. I asked if you knew what ad hominem was because you used it in a context that was incorrect. The same with false dilemma. I accused you of using false dilemma, and you responded by saying that my argument was invalid because not everything is black and white. That's pretty much the same as saying "nuh uh, you are" so I was concerned that maybe you didn't know what you were talking about.

I backed up my claims with your own statements, quoted for context. I did it there, and I did it here. If you think it's demeaning, then perhaps you should reassess your position to one that you are more comfortable with. I'm sorry you feel me reflecting your own views back at you is demeaning, but there it is.

 

I don't really feel challenged and this is not the appropriate place to discuss your views on Aurora, Giffords, or the WTC.

Actually it's called Libel. What I have typed is not libel because I have supported my claims with your own statements. If you don't support the views that your statements support, then perhaps you're the one that needs to make their position more clear, rather than hiding behind the premise of "just asking questions" which you are clearly not just doing.

Perhaps you missed this:

"You didn't come here to "just ask questions." You came here to push an alternate belief. It is a belief that blames the victims for being liars, "agents", and actors. It is a belief that incriminates law enforcement and rescue workers. It is a belief that desecrates the lives of those that died, and those that mourn them. I find the creation of such fantasies shameful, no matter how much better they make you feel about what took place that day."

Weird, because you quoted it too.

 

And only an idiot would spout off conspiracy garbage when they never bother to do their own research. Most conspiratards follow and parrot the thinking of other equal idiots like Jim Mars, Bill Curtis and Alex Jones who is our current chief retard of conspiracy parrots.

 

False flag....another catch phrase for "I am a dumb retard."

Let's look at one so called "false flag", the USS Maine.

There was no "bomb" no sabotage no secret plot by the Illuminadi. The Maine explosion has been well known for years as caused by a coal bunker fire next to the volitile and back then unprotected main magazine.

These false flag hungry America hating leftist a-wipes seem to forget that there was no television, no internet, no instant media back at the turn of the 20th century so wild rumor and specullation often won out over logic and by the time clear thinking heads did determine the true cause of the accident, the Spanish American was was long since over.

The USS Liberty incident occurred because of the pisss poor comunications equipment the ship carried and the stupidity of the Johnson administration to send a spy ship near a combat zone. They repeated their mistake with the USS Pueblo.

I personally have no sympathy for the Liberty crew or any spies of any country, that's why they are not protected under the geneva conventions. The Liberty was a spy vessel that got caught and like it or not, Israel had the legal right to blow it out of the water.

The Liberty is used to slake the jew hating thrust of the radical left. The crew was compensated years ago by Israel so they should shut their stupid traps and get on with life. You want to blame someone? Blame LBJ.

 

I don't think it's a technology thing. It's a human condition thing.

Look where we are now. We have instant media in many forms. We can hear, see, and read about an event as it's happening in real time. The confusion of the process still carries through. Couple that with a shift from investigative journalism to opinion journalism and you'll find that wild rumors and speculation are product that media has always sold.

Now, for the most part, the conspiracy minded have been the same as well. They simply have a greater voice due to easier access to mass communication methods, and they have greater access to each other's delusions. The impetus to deny reality is still and has always been the same.

I don't think it's a partisan thing either. Schizophrenia and avoidant PD know no political affiliations. There's plenty of Ron Paul crazies, Pat Buchanan crazies, and Ralph Nader crazies around here too. The problem stems from feelings of a loss of control, and a need to explain that loss of control. As the parties ascend and recede, the conspiracy minded need only attribute such trends to the machinations of the villains central to their theories.

 

Hardly. Just answer the question.

 

Are you really trying to pretend the USS Maine wasn't a false flag?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...e-flag-terror-and-warn-of-future-attacks.html

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq71-1.htm

 

Nice try Fangbeer... but try again, I never stated my personal beliefs on what happened at Sandy Hook or any other "conspiracy" and the four paragraph "diatribe" (your word) of mine you posted merely says people have the right to question an "official story", particularly when the government response to the "official story" is to circumvent law-abiding American's rights. Further, I said such right to question government's "official story", under the pending response of government, noted above, supersedes the feelings of any parent who's child may or may not have died at Sandy Hook.

Your fouled up attempt at sleight-of-hand, Jedi mind-tricks fails. Nowhere in the four paragraphs did I say what I think happened at Sandy Hook, and yet you falsely accused me of all sorts of things, that you failed to answer for or apologize for.

You are disgusting and the B.S. foaming out of your mouth is tiring.

Again, tell us what your agenda is? Mine is to try and protect America from blockhead lemmings like you and the masters you serve.

 

You responded to my post, yet I have never spouted of any "conspiracy garbage", whatsoever.

Can you tell us the screen names of the people you are referencing? Can you gives us specific statments they made that you disagree with? Can you tell us how you know what research each person has or has not done? Can you show us how you know these people are parroting others versus arriving at similar opinions based on independent research? Please, educate us.

But of course, you cannot, and instead just paint with a broad brush, generalize and make a lot of assumptions. Again, versus debating issues, de rigueur for you obfuscators is ad hominem attacks and name calling as you brilliantly illustrated above.

Can one of you obfuscators please tell us your actual agenda for posting here? Refusing to state such, and then replying with an insult to those asking just makes you look bad. Or maybe it isn't an agenda... maybe it just feels good to off-load some of that B.S. from your brain?

I can add the word "****" to other words too to describe you... obfuscatard, lemmingtard, and sheepletard.

 

You'll find those in here that actually believe that if law abiding Citizens just give up that one silly little archaic Right, the world will start singing kumbaya and holding hands, the criminals will just turn themselves in, and Australia will be a word super-power..............."Fosters, Yes we can!!"

 

It is not a belief, but a reasonable doubt. Firstly it is the job of the proposition to prove something has happened and not otherwise. I find it strange that the logic became twisted when it involves incidence of tragedy. Everything must be real because it would be unethical to question tragedies projected on screen? Even if everything was true the inquisitiveness of alternative explanation should still be applauded and not condemned because if it was true the alleged victims and the establishment have nothing to fear, and if proven false the skeptics help to keep an eye on power that seeks to exploit gullible minds.

 

Let's see. In support of the proposition:

There's the testimony of

Police
Teachers
Medical responders
The coroner
Neighbors
Parents
Relatives
Surviving children
Reporters

There's the physical evidence

Weapons found on scene
Bodies of the dead children
A crime scene consistent with a mass shooting
Nancy Lanza's car on scene

Cited evidence to establish "reasonable doubt":

The police arrested someone
Somewhere else people were involved in disaster response training
The media did a poor job
Someone posted a picture of someone else's kid
A father didn't look sad enough on the news.
Someone interviewed a dead principal
The government sucks

Does that about sum things up? Your reasonable doubt is not reasonable. It's the opposite of reasonable. It's a mentally ill attempt to deny something that is hard to come to terms with.

 

A strange funeral for a phantom.

 

what's strange is that you think allison wyatt is a phantom


Young artist Allison Wyatt, 6, was a great big sister

December 22, 2012

SOUTHBURY — It was the Rev. Walter Pitman’s chance for some redemption when he performed the funeral for Allison Wyatt Thursday morning.

Pitman had rushed to the Sandy Hook Elementary School as soon as he heard of the slaughter and counseled a couple whose 6-year-old daughter had died. But he didn’t feel he had been able to give them his full attention as a pastor.

“I felt I missed an opportunity to help them,” Pitman said. “That night I prayed to God to give me another opportunity to reach out to them. I didn’t even know their name.”

On Thursday, he received that opportunity. Ben and Cheyenne Wyatt were the parents he counseled, and he was able to eulogize Allison at the United Church of Christ in Southbury.

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Two Connecticut state troopers led the family into the church while Pallbearers carried the small, white casket to the front. Soloist Rachel Ulreich sang "Hallelujah."

The Rev. Joseph T. Donnelly of Sacred Heart Church in Southbury thanked the parish for welcoming the Wyatts.

"We are in the middle of an overwhelming experience for this family, this town and our nation," Donnelly said. "It's good that we're here together. Our connecting with one another can be a great source of support."

Pitman remembered Allison as a teacher to her sister, Lauren, who helped her learn how to ride the school bus. He also told the mourners that Allison was a young artist who turned her room into a studio. Now, she is going to have “a much bigger studio” in heaven.

"Although she was only with us for a very short time, we are better people for having her with us," he said.

http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/22/news/doc50d35ce3093b7557931384.txt?viewmode=2

 

Why stole a picture that's not her's?

 

maybe alex jones or one of his nut case followers stole it to cause doubt

it doesn't really matter, since there's tons of real evidence indicating lanza was the lone gunman

 

Baby, these people you are talking too are the family who turn on the abused child rather than face the fact that Daddy or Uncle did it. They are the ones who burnt healers and midwives as Witches at the stake, and hung Black men from tree branches as they ate their picnics, they are the modern day Inquisitors

Don't waste your energy xxx Questions would be made illegal in their World and truth ........God forbid !!!!!! They would all go up in smoke..