Science isn't All That Reliable...

Atheists claim they believe in science, rather than God, as if science is something you can believe in that replaces God.

But the history of science makes it clear that science is not something you can really rely on.

For one thing, scientists are constantly changing what they believe about their theories and the universe we live in.

When I was a boy in school, we were told that dinosaurs were reptiles. Now we are told that dinosaurs are the ancestors of birds. All we really know about dinosaurs is the bones they left behind, and their placement in a skeleton is only a guess. Once they decided a particular bone was a horn. Later they decided it was a toe. Fact is, they'll never be sure where the bones really go.

Scientists used to say the Earth was the center of the universe. Planets moved on "heavenly spheres." Then they decided the sun was the center of the universe. Now they tell us they don't know where the center of the universe is. Pluto used to be a planet, but now its not.

Aristotle though there were only four elements: fire, water, earth and air. Now we have hundreds of elements and more are discovered all the time.

Physicians used to believe they could cure ailments by bleeding people and putting leeches on their body. They would drill holes in people's heads to cure a headache. They knew nothing about sanitation until 100 years ago.

Scientists told us that flight was impossible, until it was done. Scientists told us spaceflight was impossible, until it was done. Scientists told us the SDI program was impossible, but that could be done too were it not for recent cutbacks.

Another problem with science is that it so often corrupted by politics and money. Some scientific truths cannot be spoken among scientists for fear of destroying their careers. Some scientific lies are widely published, because there are powerful interests supporting these lies.


I am old enough to remember "Nuclear Winter" which was started with a simple two-dimensional computer model that dumped tons of material in the air and didn't account for wind or rain.

I am old enough to remember the fears of "Population Explosion" created by the Malthus calculations that take no account of technological improvements in food production.

I remember when psychiatrists considered homosexuality a personality disorder, and the fact that they changed the DSM because they were fearful of the homosexual lobby destroying their careers.

"Global cooling" was another scientific fraud, which has now been replaced with "global warming." Now they call it "climate change" so they can make people afraid no matter what the weather looks like outside.

Embryonic stem cell research has received billions of dollars of funding despite the fact that it has produced absolutely none of the great cures it was promised. Adult stem cell research, which shows real promise, has been shunted aside and ignored.

Studies demonstrating the correlation of race and IQ are hidden in dark closets, never to be discussed by anyone who doesn't want a one-way ticket to career destruction.

A scientist who discovered that semen has a beneficial effect on women, making them less depressed, was attacked by rabid feminists and he was forced to make a public apology.

Atheists like to crow about the fantasy of religion, and point out the corruption and lies of religion -- but much of science is a fantasy and science is as corrupt and full of lies as any religion.

What I'm saying, is, science is not something you can really count on. Not really...

 

Yeah. We should turn back to religion to answer these questions.

For instance:

1) The sun revolves around the Earth.
2) Lightning comes from God's butt.

 

No, they don't.

 

It's called progress.

 

You haven't been paying attention to this forum if you think that atheists don't cleave to science as an alternative to religion.

Ask your fellow atheists, they will tell you that what I am saying is true.

 

I agree it is progress for scientist to reject false ideas in favor of ideas that are believed to be more true.

But at every age, scientists impose their ideas as orthodoxy.

"Dinosaurs were reptiles" was not taught to me as a theory, or conjecture, it was taught to me as a FACT you can't question.

And then one day, while watching Jurassic Park, I learned that dinosaurs were actually the ancestors of birds. Now that's a FACT you can't question.

When I was a boy, they taught that our solar system has nine planets, and that was a FACT you couldn't question.

But now Pluto isn't a planet anymore, so the solar system has eight planets, and that is also a FACT you can't question.

 

Scientists enforce a strict code of orthodoxy that is just as rigid as anything the Catholic Church ever enforced.

Is there a correlation between race and IQ?

Don't ask the question or you will face an Inquisition as fierce as anything seen in the Middle Ages.

Is there a cure for homosexuality?

Don't even try to find one or you will ex-communicated by the scientific community and cast into the darkness, to wail and gnash your teeth.

Heretics will see their careers and reputations burned at the stake.

 

Um, dinosaurs are STILL considered reptiles. But, apparently you get your knowledge from Jurassic Park on the subject.

Oh no! What a huge problem!

 

OMG

Science changes based on observations? OMG! Holy (*)(*)(*)(*)ing (*)(*)(*)(*) batman! I have been misled! I thought science was supposed to stay in a crystalline state regardless of what is indeed true!

I wanted to blindly worship in science instead of god!

Sorry,. that was the best response I could come up with considering that the painfully obvious was pointed out.

 

Posted by GraspingforPeace:

If you're going to debate science, try to keep up on your science:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080424-trex-mastodon.html

Does that mean that I, a stupid backward Christian, knows more about science than GraspingforPeace, a super-educated ultra-intelligent atheist?

 

Putting science up on a pedestal is exactly what atheists do.

Now you're all denying it, but you've said it many times.

How can I debate people who are fundamentally dishonest?

 

For example, atheists attempt to use Darwin's theory of evolution as a proof against God.

If that isn't science replacing religion, what is?

 

Science is the best and so far only means of determining what is true and factual. That very premise makes it a tool that is subject to progress. Science will not stay static forever and ever. There is very little reason to stick with Newton's laws of Einsteins theory of relativity is more accurate.

Science is not going to stand in a crystalline state if observations point in a different direction. To do so would contradict the very nature of science.

 

Its an argument against Biblical creation. No where in the theory of evolution does it say there is no god. It does however say that life evolved and was not suddenly placed here 6,000 years ago.

 

Look up the dinosaur article on Wikipedia, I don't have the time currently to explain the difference between modern day reptiles and dinosaurs.

 

I provided a link to support what I said. You didn't. Ball's in your court. Play or get out of the game.

 

I'm glad you understand that. Many people don't.

 

I don't ever remember scientists declaring 'the Earth was the center of the universe.' That was mumbo jumbo dreamed up by the religious hirearchy that ruled the ignorant world of the period. In any case, scientific knowledge is a moving feast otherwise it's no better than religion. And unfortunately, from time to time, politics tends to dominate and fight against new scientific discoveries eg in the period when the world discovered Longitude and when pseudo scientists rule the world through the current hysteria about Climate Change

 

I don't ever remember scientists declaring 'the Earth was the center of the universe.' That was mumbo jumbo dreamed up by the religious hirearchy that ruled the ignorant world of the period. In any case, scientific knowledge is a moving feast otherwise it's no better than religion. And unfortunately, from time to time, politics tends to dominate and fight against new scientific discoveries eg in the period when the world discovered Longitude and when pseudo scientists rule the world through the current hysteria about Climate Change

 

Class: Reptilia
Superorder: Dinosauria

/slow clap. You really are a "genius". Next time, don't use Hollywood as a source.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

 

Actually, Hollywood would probably be a better reference source than one could find in Wikipedia. Just my opinion.

 

Actually, your link didn't say anything about dinosaurs not being reptiles. It just said they were related to birds.

 

how about 'an evolution'?

 

Except Wikipedia at least includes sources.

 

How about if you criticize something, at least know something about what you're criticizing?