Scientist: 97% Covid's Been Spreading for Six Weeks in Washington

There's a middle ground between "we're all ****ed" and "We have this thing contained. Virtually airtight." and all the other rosy things Trump said about this.

Trump should have leveled with people. He should never have gone against the CDC.

 

Exactly. This can't be repeated enough. Trump has been working on this since January. It's the Democrats who fought his travel restrictions, and it's the Democrats who have decided to politicize the thing to the point where nobody knows what is fact and what is hype anymore, which is really shameful.

this coming from someone who posts almost entirely about Trump! The Democrats (and the leftie Australians ) wouldn't give a crap about the coronavirus if they hadn't run out of things to b*tch about Trump for, and decided to try to make COVID-19 about Trump.

What is your point? Pointing out two diseases which originated in Australia does nothing to bolster your implication that it's American hunters who are eating weird sh*t leading to weird diseases, like the Chinese.

Did you just feel like throwing out a meaningless and random veiled insult directed at Americans and hunting?

 

Do you know how many people we've actually tested here? Friday, it was around 500. I'd be surprised if it's even 1,000 by now. You'll see, though. This thing has been moving through the population for at least a couple weeks now.

Maybe we'll look back at what China did as a way to handle this. But can you realistically lock down millions of Americans? We wouldn't stand for that.

 

I am not.

 

Trump hasn't said anything "rosy" about the virus, and he never went against the CDC.

 

Cause a nation wide panic is far more dangerous than the virus itself.

I assumed most people would understand that.

If it is inevitable that the virus will spread in the US, which at this point seems like it is, there's no reason to warn anybody. It's coming whether you prepare or not.

Having chaos for weeks isnt going to help anything.

 

If it was spread six weeks ago and nothing has happened yet that would mean that it didn't do anything...

 

Dude! You, like totally, missed the point.

 

Lock down millions of Americans? We can't even put travel restrictions in place without the Democrats howling:




^^ Psst.....look at the date on that, too. It kind of blows the whole "Trump isn't doing anything" rhetoric out of the water, because he clearly was working on this long before the Democrats decided to make it their next political football.

 

You know what dey say: Never let a good crisis go to waste, fan the flames

 

Sure there is. We should be telling people to stay indoors and avoid large public events. And the schools should be closed. They should have been closed last week. There are things we could be doing right now that we're not doing and we're going to pay a price down the road.

If we don't stagger the infection rate, it's going to hit us all at once and swamp our system, which wasn't all that great to begin with.

 

Oh, there will be blame to go around on my side of the political spectrum, for sure. Did Biden or Bernie say anything like that? I can't recall.

 

"We have done an incredible job. We're going to continue," Trump said during a Black History Month reception at the White House. "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear. And from our shores, you know, it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows.""

"We have contained this. I won't say [it's] air-tight, but it's pretty close to air-tight," Larry Kudlow told CNBC's Kelly Evans.

CDC:

Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in this country. It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more a question of exactly when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness.

Do you really not see the contradiction there? Sure you do. There's not going to be a "miracle". It's not going away. Trump and Kudlow were totally irresponsible even suggesting a "miracle" could happen or that the situation is "contained" and "pretty close to air tight".

 

Sure there is. We should be telling people to stay indoors and avoid large public events. And the schools should be closed. They should have been closed last week. There are things we could be doing right now that we're not doing and we're going to pay a price down the road.

If we don't stagger the infection rate, it's going to hit us all at once and swamp our system, which wasn't all that great to begin with.[/QUOTE]

The CDC and administration said "prepare", but they are not recommending avoiding public events or closing schools right now. Children don't appear to be as susceptible to the virus anyway...so you want to shut schools to protect teachers I guess.

The virus won't hit everyone at once. It will spread out from centers where there are large populations of Asians.

 

I keep being reminded of how it is now widely speculated -- by people 'in-the-know' -- that a very possible medium of disease transmission is in human feces and vomit. And that revelation came about the same time that Americans became aware (perhaps for the first time in our protected lives) that very large numbers of Chinese use "squat-toilets".

Now, where is there the biggest incidence of COVID19 so far? The Pacific Northwest -- Seattle, and Portland, and on down into California. There's very large concentrations of homeless bums out there, aren't there? And many of them don't even have the equivalent of Chinese "squat-toilets" -- no -- they just sh!t, piss, and vomit right out on the streets and sidewalks!

Is it premature to suggest that maybe (just MAYBE) the libs who run places like Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, et al, might just want to take meaningful proactive measures BEFORE COVID19 'catches fire' in the numerous homeless camps that infest the Pacific Coast...?!

 

Bedford must have been tracking the virus on radar the last six weeks. jk.

 

No, they shut schools down because children are walking disease vectors. They get everyone else sick. I don't know if you've noticed, but most kids are filthy. They're not good at hygiene. Countries aren't shutting schools down to protect teachers. That's laughable.

It's past the "blame the Asians" stage. It showed up on the West Coast (Southern California) OVER A MONTH AGO (sorry for yelling, but that's an EXTREMELY important point). Who knows how long it was bouncing around before that. Weeks maybe? And as of Friday we had only tested 500 people.

Well, that will change soon, and the numbers will soar. If you want an idea of what this will do, take China's numbers and divide by 5 (they have five times as many people) and then factor in that their system allows them to do things to slow the spread that just aren't possible here, like lock down entire cities.

 

Poop and needles is the way they like it in those parts.

 

"It's past the "blame the Asians" stage."

PC inspired false accusations toward other posters do not contribute to the topic

 

If you think we still have the ability to quarantine this, we're just on different pages.

This is beyond control now. We cant ban flights from every country on the planet. There's nothing more that can be done at this point either than trying to develop a vaccine.

Even then, that's weeks away.

This is going to happen regardless of what anybody does from here on out.

 

I guess it depends what your focus and agenda is. The panic will surely disappear "like a miracle" when the relatively mild virus becomes part of mainstream cold and flue season, or we wipe it out with a vaccine.

You attributed that quote to Trump a few posts ago. I'm sure that was an innocent oversight.

We are in "containment mode". That's what the administration is calling this first phase of observation and response for a brand-new virus. They have also warned that the virus was expected to "escape" containment, and we will move to more of a management strategy. No surprise.

Messonnier is one person in the CDC whose couple of sentences have been desperately clung to by the people wanting to blame the administration for poor handling of the virus response. She wasn't lying, but the Director of the CDC (her boss) did challenge her clumsy wording and iterated that the risk to Americans in general is very low right now.

We should continue our day-to-day activities without undue fear. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Stay 6 feet away from anyone who is coughing or sneezing. Same precautions we take with the flu.

Yes. We all see the contradiction in how people are interpreting and responding to the same messages by government and media. Stay cool or panic. Your choice. Outcomes remain the same.

 

We have the ability to SLOW it. Close the schools down, now. Japan didn't waste any time. Neither did China, Italy, or S. Korea. Keeping the schools open this late in the game is a seriously bad mistake.

Close the schools. Don't make a bad situation worse by leaving them open.

Oh, it's going to run its course no matter what we do. I would rather that course be spread out over the coming months than hit us all at once.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. Besides, in a week's time, we won't be talking about what Trump said while this was in the early stages (although it will come up in political discussions, and there are already campaign ads out by Bloomberg).

Events are happening quickly. They'll probably be another sell-off. I read that a recession would entail a 30% reduction in the S&P from it's high point. That would put the DOW back at 21,000, from where it was a couple weeks ago. And I think a recession now is very likely.

Did you see the pollution map over China that was circulating around? It looks like they closed up shop in broad parts of the country. It's going to raise hell with the supply chains.
https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-n...ars-7dd8961d-0627-4342-ab0d-029c872ced1e.html

 

No. They just didn't have any interest in the issue whatsoever until it became a political weapon they could fire at Trump.

 

We have a relatively good idea how long the virus has been "bouncing around" the U.S. Six weeks seems about right.

People in Hubei Province first started getting sick with "no clear cause" in the middle of December. Millions of people travel to Hubei every year for family reunions and to celebrate the Lunar New Year. People were travelling in early- to mid-January. Three million people left Hubei before China shut down Wuhan and other Hubei cities on January 23rd. (Chinese New Year was January 25th.) People left early because of the spread of illness there and talk of the lockdown. China delayed reacting to all of this because they wanted the tourism money.

Anyway, no one is "blaming the Asians" as much as being pragmatic realists about where the hotbeds of viral spread will occur here in the U.S. Areas with the highest percentages of Asian population will have the earliest reported cases. That's not anyone's "fault"....except China's.