Scientists cannot prove the "born homosexual" theory

correct. I'm trying to decipher if there is any point to all of the hostile posts. I'm not sure if they are suggesting that 2 females or 2 males can create a child

 

Except she is.

He isn't.

 

Let's ask him to cite the case law or statute that he is basing that on

 

Well, ya, you did. ..."""comparing children from a gay marriage, to children from a straight marriage, makes zero sense""

You implied they are somehow different. What DID you mean?
AND Progressive asked you QUESTIONS(those things you never answer) he did NOT state you were anything or you said anything.

Oh,BTW, a parent is a person who raises the child.

 

I have a serious question for all of those who oppose gay marriage and gay rights in general. The question is; What motivates you? What is your fear? This is not a trick question or an attempt to be facetious. I really want to understand. I get that people are opposed on moral grounds. I get that you're repulsed by the idea of same sex couples. But what I want to know is how you will be personally effected by extending rights to gays. What will be different in your life, what will change in your community on the day after same sex marriage is legal? I'm not looking for rationalizations or philosophical reasons. I want to hear concrete pragmatic concerns. I would appreciate honest and straight forward answers.

 

I am not against Gay marriage, but I am going to give this a shot.

''Why should others receive the same benefits from Marriage as we do, [when all it is] is a sexual behavior and not a real Marriage.''
[So politically and financially it effects them]

''Why should my children be in danger or coerced by Gay couples living in my neighborhood''
[The belief their children may accept this as normal, and a change in their society as a whole, and yes with some, the fear of children being molested. Gay couples would draw Gay friends into the neighborhood, people they do not like nor trust.]

Those are the ones I could think of, of course I could be totally wrong.

 

Children in danger! That is just horse(*)(*)(*)(*). I told you about my neighbors. I have may grand children as well as nieces and nephews here all the time. The idea that gay men are a danger to children is just stupid. Pedophiles are a whole different breed than gays. When a pedophile molests a child of the same sex they may be referred to homosexual pedophiles, and that's where this perception comes from, but they are still just pedophiles who generally are incapable of adult sexual relationships.

Children being influenced and accepting it as normal? So what? That is not coercion? What the hell would anybody want to do that?. Sexuality is not going to be determined because there are gays around who are treated as normal human beings as is the case here. Same sex marriage became legal in NJ last fall. Most people hardly notices. It's not an issue , no body care and no one is hysterically trying to get the ruling reversed. And kids are not deciding that they want to try to be gay because it's now cool.

Are you sure that you're no against gay marriage?

 

GREAT post! A slam dunk to the ignorant and paranoid!

I liked:

"""Not a real marriage? Just a sexual behavior? Are you serious? Do you really believe that or are you just trying an appeal to ignorance on for size? Marriage for gays is as real to them as it is to any heterosexual. And sex is no more or less a part of that marriage than to anyone else. As far as the benefits go, do you not know that there are currently millions of kids in the care of gay people-singles and couples? Do you understand that when their parent can't marry that those children are deprived of the legal, and financial benefits have having two, legal married parents? Why should they NOT have the same benefits?

Let me tell you a real life story. I have new neighbors. They are a married Caucasian couple-both professional men in their early 30s. One is a school social worker, and the other is a financial advisor for a well-known investment house. They introduced me to their 3 year old African American, special needs child and said that he is their son, who they adopted through the state. His parents were killed in an auto accident a year ago and the child had been in 3 foster homes since then. There was no extended family able and willing to care for him. Special needs children, especially minorities are very hard to place and to find a stable home for, but these two men stepped up to take that responsibility.
I now know that in what little spare time they have, they do volunteer work with Habitat for Humanity, and occasionally deliver meals on wheels. They plan on having two more children by a surrogate mother with each of them donating sperm for that purpose. Each will then adopt the child of the other as the second parent.

Can you honestly tell me that these two men, who are contributing to society and the community in many ways, do not deserve the benefits, protection and status of being married? Can you say that this is not a family in every sense of the word? """"





I wonder why people can claim they know what a "real" marriage is?

 

I don't think flounder is. He's a pretty honest guy from the few posts I've seen of his. I think he's just speculating why people are against gay marriage based on their preconceived notions about gays and the stereotypes they believe in.

 

Thanks I think that you're right. I took it to seriously

 

because they would be benefits/laws based solely on a sexual act.

Yes, we have laws for those who break the speed limit, drink too much alcohol etc. But, to draft laws called "gay rights" you are simply giving preferential treatment to those engaging in homosexual sex. What about those who like love dolls? Is there a reason that they are not included?

We have this thing called "individual rights" and to ask Congress to enact laws beyond that, and target one group based solely on the homosexual act, then Congress would be going too far.

 

Horse(*)(*)(*)(*)!! It not about sex! That is a moronic statement!

At the core of every argument against same sex marriage is the attitude, a belief that gay folks are fundamentally different than other people. There is a refusal to acknowledge the fact that they are real people with real lives and responsibilities and problems like everyone else. They talk about tradition, about religion, about the law, about procreation, and oh yes, the sex….they love to talk about the sex as though that was all that gay folks do. They bloviate about how kids need a mom and a dad, but cannot explain how banning same sex marriage will result in more children having a traditional home, why that is important, and reject the fact-indeed will not discuss the fact-that denying gays the right to marry harms children. They promote inane slippery slope to polygamy, incest, bestiality and whatever without any rational basis or logical argument. However, they can never ever talk about the fact that these are human beings who are profoundly affected by discrimination and the denial of the rights and benefits of marriage. They can only deal with the subject using abstract concepts and logical fallacies. If they dare to humanize the subject, even they might come to see how stupid their arguments are and that’s what they fear the most.

And they love to talk about racial equality and how race is different than sexual orientation, as though by doing so they can claim some moral high ground. The fact is that these are people who have a need to hate. In their own self loathing they need to see themselves as better, as more worthy than someone else. My guess is, that the people who claim to be against racial discrimination but who hate gays are the same people who- a couple of decades ago before gay rights came to the forefront- were segregationists

 

how many times do you need called on this lie?

how many times do you need called on this lie?

what are they being denied?

how many timed do you need called on this lie?

 

If science cannot prove the "born homosexual theory, then it is not a theory but an unproven hypothesis. In science a theory is a body of observed and verified facts.

Secondly, why should science have to prove it? Let's get hypothetical here, what if they do prove it? What then?

Oh, and by the way:

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2008/06/16/homosexuals-found-to-have-different-brain-structure-in-new-study/

 

you asked a question. I provided a civil answer and this is your response?

I understand that it's personal with you because you somehow have been misled to believe that because many of us do not support the misnomer of "gay rights" or "homosexual this or that" means that you are persecuted

That is the furthest thing from the truth. Most of us want equal treatment for all and that means single people especially, regardless of how they have sex.

The moment the govt goes beyond the individual and wants to classify treatment based on how one has sex, etc, they are segmenting which is not the spirit of the Constitution.

IMO, you are a victim of your own groups propaganda. You're not hated because you sleep with guys, we just don't think you are special because of it.

So, you are simply viewed as one of us, the collective. Isn't that good enough for you?

 

That was about as civil as you deserve considering that you moronically focus on the sex and can't see or understand that we are talking about real people. You want equal treatment for gays. That's a blatant appeal to ignorance. If you don't believe in rights then how the hell can you say that you want equal treatment and don't give me that crap about "special rights" and you don't understand squat about the spirit of the constitution. Now get ready to feel really stupid. I'm not gay.

 

why would I feel stupid about your claim?

It's of never mind to me if you are "in" or "out"

You see, that is where I and others are consistent

If you and I were to go head to head for a job, the only reason you should get it over me is experience, value etc. You should not be given any special consideration over me because I am a married heterosexual. If you are the right guy for the job, then you should get it. It's the same on the flip side

Same thing with "hate crimes". How can a person be accused of a hate crime against a homosexual unless they have actually seen them in bed, they have no way of knowing what the guy/gal prefers

In that case, if a homosexual and a heterosexual get attacked, the homosexual is valued more because that is what the hate crime laws say

and you speak of equality........................give me a flippin break

 

Because the law, unlike society, recognizes the motivation and intent behind a crime.

And in America there is still a lot of crime that comes from bigotry.

Or how would you like it if some gang bangers targeted you for having red hair and beat the holy hell out of you putting you in the hospital for two weeks?

On the other side of the coin, these hate crimes have been abused by our system, and don't seem to recognize that minority groups also do violence against white people just for being white.

 

and there in itself is the problem; you too feel the life of a homosexual is of more value than a heterosexual

 

What hate crime law is not applicable against bias crimes against heterosexuals? Certainly nowhere is the federal statute limited to sexual orientations other than straight.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249

 

Hate crime legislation is stupid. Why should incidents of the victim's identity matter in the punishment phase of any trial. The only thing that should matter with intent is the degree of intent I.e. intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, and negligence. But the aggressor's feelings about race, religion, ethnicity, or what have you, shouldn't be involved.

It doesn't have much to do with the value of the victim, more to do with the heinous-Ness of a crime. To me a white guy murdering a black guy because he wanted his money, or a white guy murdering a black guy because he plain just doesn't like black people are equally heinous.

 

you might want to be careful, that kind of common sense is not tolerated in this subsection

 

I have told you before I am conservative

 

Actually no I don't. While do believe they're a bunch of immoral asshats, I don't support discrimination.

 

The same as if they beat the holy hell out of me to take my wallet.