Scottish "nationalists" win parliamentary majority for "independence" referendum

This is your best reply?

The facts speak for themselves!

I only hide behind truth!

That "truth" speaks for itself!

Regards
Highlander

 

I'm all for independence of Scotland. But the subsidies STOP - ALL of them - from Westminster. Salmond wants independence - but the subsidies to bloody CONTINUE. Wanting their cake, wanting to eat it - AND sell it.

 

The SNP has had a majority since 2011. It could have had its referendum any time since then. It's not like the party hasn't had a long time to put its arguments to the Scottish public.

However, there are many unanswered questions on which Salmond seems to be very indecisive; it's like he's making his policies up as he goes along. I have checked out lots of 'other' sources, not least the SNP itself. No political party can ever give certainties but the vision offered does have to be rooted in reality. The SNP has a lot to explain to the Scottish public before the referendum takes place, but whether Scots voters demand answers is absolutely up to them. [I have never even hinted that it should be England's, not Scotland's choice.] You're entirely free to ignore English opinions, but we are nevertheless entirely free to state them.

The party that must have more say is the party which gains the most seats from elections. As you can't accept the will of the UK electorate, it is only sensible that you will campaign for withdrawal from the UK. I wish you every success in converting Scottish voters and England can only benefit from having fewer socialists influencing our policies. The Conservative party will then have to explain why it is so hell bent on alienating its own supporters when there are not so many socialist skirts to hide behind.

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I don't normally criticise any one else's spelling and grammar, but I'll make an exception for a Scots Nationalist whose posts are littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation howlers who claims Scotland's "education system does seem to be better than that south of the border"!

Some people are so blinkered, there isn't really much point in engaging in debate with them.

 

Ooooh ...... have I got up you nose?

Deary me...... Your dogma doesn't work so its scraping the bottom of the barrel!

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...bours-control-of-bbc-scotland-must-be-curbed/

You are entitled to your political position, only stupidity and dogma isn't a strength!


Have a nice day!

We're all going up the sun shine mountain .........!

Regards
Highlander

 

Highlander, your comments make me smile, but congratulations on almost getting all your spelling and punctuation correct. It isn't hard if you try.

I don't have a lot of time for Craig Murray's opinions, but his thinking on the BBC's bias is hardly controversial [and in the link you supplied, it's BBC Scotland's bias he talks about and the politicians involved are Scottish]. This bias from the BBC shows all the time in a whole host of issues, but it is just one source. It is unfortunate that it is funded through almost mandatory public subscription, and that being so if it can't reform its political arm it should be disbanded.

But all sources of news are biased, some are sensible, some less so or not at all. It hardly matters any more now that no one has to rely on the narrow range of sources we had pre-internet age, provided we weigh one source up against another and against what we know ourselves. Somehow, I doubt the BBC is to blame for Scottish withdrawal from the union having only minority support among Scots, and BBC Scotland is under the control of a man who is very definitely Scottish!

Scotland has its chief withdrawalist supporter as first minister. Maybe he and other withdrawalist politicians will get out onto the streets to make their case, instead of blaming other people for the lack of support they have?

 

Aye, right enough, I didn't think you have much time for Craig Murray or his opinions.

But didn't he have the temerity and strength of character to denounce British collusion in rendition, gaining information through torture practices to mention just a few despicable but accepted practices of your aristocracy?

Mmmm .... so some news is bias...... this would not be news to me, as I have had the bullsh1t rammed down my throat from your good self and the "little englander"!

You attempt agin to belittle the right of the Scottish nation to make our own decisions, this we will do, regardless of your opinions or whinning!

That is all that matters to me, but then I can stand by the democratic process and accept the decisions, but can you or your degenerates, that my only worry on these matters!

Have a nice day......

We're all going up the sun shine mountain .......

Regards
Highlander

 

That is the despicable way things are run when you deal with despicable terrorists. I definitely don't like it. (And it's idiotic to call it the practises of the aristocracy. The aristocracy haven't run things for a very long time. Do keep up.) Governments need to be held to account, but I'd have admired Murray a lot more if he'd remembered he was supposed to be a diplomat, not a poltical campaigner, when he was denouncing British action. He should have resigned. Then he'd have been free to say what he wanted. But even after he'd been sacked, he couldn't help himself and named the Swedish rape victim in the Julian Assange case. The British diplomatic service is well rid of him.

Don't be absurd. No one has ramned anything down your throat. This is a current affairs forum in which opinions and information are exchanged. For someone who can't post on this subject without sounding like an bitter, emotional, teenage bull******r, you really need to develop a thicker skin. And who the heck is the "Little Englander"?

Nowhere have I belittled anyone's right to make political choices, ever. How many times do I need to say I think Scotland should hold its referendum and I think it should hold it as as soon as possible, too? Let's find out if you actually speak for Scotland because your position contradicts the opinion poll findings. If Scotland votes to leave, however, that's completely fine with me.

Apparently, you don't like being reminded that, so far at least, the Scots aren't going for withdrawal from the union. That's your problem, not mine! The SNP even had to lower the referendum voting age to 16 to bolster their cause's flagging support. I really hope they takes up Murray's suggestion to bring in independent observers to oversee the referendum process, so that you have no grounds for crying foul if the result doesn't go your way. We'll see if you can stand by the democratic process.

Once again, please remember ... any degenerates you have in mind are not mine any more than Scottish degenerates are yours.

 

Can you point me at anything which gives even the least intelligent the impression that Salmond doesn't want Scotland to stand on its own? It is more than idiotic for anyone to say that subsidies to Scotland,which only exist in the minds of the ignorant who read the likes of the Daily Fail anyway, are going to continue on independence.......why on earth would they? Please tell me which parallel universe you inhabit..or explain your remarks.

 

How could there have been a referendum without Westminster's permission, pretty please? The SNP has spent a lot of the time trying to get sodding permission from the UK Government to allow us to have a referendum on our future.......and, to an extent that illustrates the whole problem with a Union which is really just England writ large enough to cover the whole island.

Funnily enough, there are as many unanswered questions about the future of the UK, even with Scotland as a part of it.

Nothing Salmond has said to date has been contradicted by fact...and as the UK Government is the only entity privy to the facts, given they compile all financial information etc, much of which is given as a "Whole UK" figure.. if they could offer facts to contradict him, I'm darn sure they would....aren't you? The UK Government doesn't offer any reality, if they did we'd not have been hearing "subsidy junkies" for decades. As a result, we have to find our own figures (after all, the Scottish Government has economists just as the UK Government has)..by dividing the plethora of unallocated UK income/expenditure on a population basis to produce a figure for Scotland..though we can find more information re income.....as in what we send to London in return for our pocket money. We can also assume that in some areas, International Law will prevail...and in others, there is precedent to be cited, despite Westminster's conviction that they can dictate the terms of any "divorce" settlement.

Allowing for the fact that the SNP will not necessarily be in charge come 2016....the SNP's policies have bugger all to do with anything at this stage. What is it with this fixation on Salmond and the SNP........they are the vehicle...not the driver.

There has been/is being extensive consultations with all and sundry about many aspects of the how an independent Scotland will work, and between now and 2014, the vision discussed and agreed for our possible future will be put before the electorate.It won't be specific policies, though..it'll be stuff like a written constitution and how we could do defence etc. If we vote to become independent, then our first Government might be the SNP, one of the others, or a coalition, as the voting system was set up to ensure....and then the party with most seats will have the most say....but you tend to forget that the SNP had the referendum prominent in their manifesto...so, as the party with most votes......it will be the SNP in charge of, though probably not the sole Scottish representatives in, negotiations if negotiations are the next step..and during that time, up until 2016, they will continue to govern the country as they were elected to do in 2011...and will pursue the manifesto commitments on which they were elected.....because nothing at that stage will have changed for us..and won't until 2016. Can't understand why folk can't see that.

Out of interest....which "lots of 'other' sources" have you checked out?

That post was specifically a response to Sab, not you or anyone else. I get irritated at people who get po-faced over the spelling and use of grammar and punctuation of others when they have no idea if the others are, for example, dyslexic while at the same time appearing happily unaware of the similar faults in their own posts.

I'd appreciate a link to the post where I have said Scotland's "education system does seem to be better than that south of the border" and a note of the posts I have made which are littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation howlers Thank you.

 

Mmmm ...... That is the despicable way things are run when you deal with despicable terrorists...... would that be their freedom fighter, terrorist or our terrorists come invaders?

Semantics, we have no right to be invading any nation and committing genocide!

AS we in Scotland cannot stop the likes of those DEGENERATES like bLiar, Cameron, Brown etc etc at present the political map is drawn by those less astute who vote thief ..... Tory!

And the meaning of Tory ??????

Because your friends tell you the majority of Scots down want to stand on their own feet. And want to accept for their children the crumbs off the Tory political floor, doesn't make it true!
Nor you repeat the same mantra time and time again .... also doesn't make it true!


Oooh ..... and Craig Murray did resign! He stood for the Liberal party which as good as a chocolate tea pot!

Independent the referendum will be regardless how your tory reprobates attempt to gerrymander the election process!

As they did in 1977. The vote was lost even though the majority voted to get rid of Westminster.

Regards
Highlander

We're all going up the sun shine mountain ......... faces all a glow ......!!!!!!

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Mmmm ...... That is the despicable way things are run when you deal with despicable terrorists...... would that be their freedom fighter, terrorist or our terrorists come invaders?

Semantics, we have no right to be invading any nation and committing genocide!

AS we in Scotland cannot stop the likes of those DEGENERATES like bLiar, Cameron, Brown etc etc at present the political map is drawn by those less astute who vote thief ..... Tory!

And the meaning of Tory ??????

Because your friends tell you the majority of Scots down want to stand on their own feet. And want to accept for their children the crumbs off the Tory political floor, doesn't make it true!
Nor you repeat the same mantra time and time again .... also doesn't make it true!


Oooh ..... and Craig Murray did resign! He stood for the Liberal party which as good as a chocolate tea pot!

Independent the referendum will be regardless how your tory reprobates attempt to gerrymander the election process!

As they did in 1977. The vote was lost even though the majority voted to get rid of Westminster.

Regards
Highlander

We're all going up the sun shine mountain ......... faces all a glow ......!!!!!!

 

Only another 527 days, 10 hours to go, before the Scottish referendum takes place. Oh bliss and joy!

 

Aye .... see you're even getting the hang of it! Democratic election and the date fixed .... and not the election result, we're doing not bad girl!

You can keep them germans ..... and we don't!

Have a nice and pleasant day .......... we're all going up the sun shine mountain ...... where the four winds blow .....!

All nice things come to those that wait!

Well on this side of the border!

Regards
Highlander

 

Pleased girl?

Regards

Highlander

 

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... whenever I get one of your's (or Peter's) funny posts, boy.

 

Go your own way by all means.
BUT THE SUBSIDIES FROM WESTMINSTER MUST STOP

 

From...... to..... very small words ...... but as Scotland is the supply of the finances, From isn't the word you need to use!

But ignorance is bliss don't you think?

Highlander

 

Who depends on who is very much at the crux of the debate. If you're right, Alex Salmond will not need the Bank of England to be Scotland's lender of last resort, as he said he envisaged. That's good.

 

Why do you say that? All the fight for max devo, parliament and government was for nothing?? The Scots have come this far only to give up now? I can't envision why they'd do that. Can't see why they'd quit just at the end of the tunnel.

 

The 2 lines above are totally different topics and it's hard to see what they're doing in the same post but I'll answer you the second.

Indeed Romanians are the 2nd largest crime group in GB after the Poles. Any idea why? Simple. Not because we are born criminals but because Romania is the 2nd largest country in Eastern Europe after Poland (in the European Union). Proportionally I can prove that we do not produce any more criminals than any other European country or American state. It's just that the state of being a developing country pushes our scum towards you.

You know... Accomplished Romanians don't leave the country and if they do they surely do it with constructive purposes.

So yeah atm you do get our worst people. Sorry about that. This will change soon. I just recently had a look at the economic progress of Romania and I couldn't help but marvel at the progress our economy has had in the last few years. In 15 years we will exceed that of Sweden, without all the coal they have. Many ppl think East is destined to stay bad forever. But remember what a developing country is. One that hasn't reached its full potential. Your UK is doing great but it's inflated to the maximum, to the point where it can't grow anymore, not at the speed Eastern Europe is doing. Poland is also set to rival the UK in 20 -25 years, not to mention if Scotland departed. Don't worry. Socially troubled people from developing countries will not be coming there forever because these countries will not remain developing countries forever.

 

OH come on I hate no one. Only your Tories, Cameron and your queen. Together they (*)(*)(*)(*) up all their neighbors in Europe.

PEACE

Hmmm there might be some truth to that.

 

Yet. The tory control over England is such that the United Kingdom is finished, but these changes take time. The other countries have to learn properly what it is to be dominated by lying, spiteful incompetents.

 

Do you think that by saying that a lot somebody is going to believe the subsidies aren't going in the other direction?

This is the second time I have responded to that stupidity...so I'll just repeat my last response..and maybe this time you can give me directions to your parallel universe in which Scotland is ever going to be subsidised by the rUK when/if we vote for Independence. Sheesh!

Can you point me at anything which gives even the least intelligent the impression that Salmond doesn't want Scotland to stand on its own? It is more than idiotic for anyone to say that subsidies to Scotland,which only exist in the minds of the ignorant who read the likes of the Daily Fail anyway, are going to continue on independence.......why on earth would they? Please tell me which parallel universe you inhabit..or explain your remarks.

 

Have you ever read the UK media or heard the BBC on the subject of Scottish Independence? Do you not have people in your country who believe everything said in the media.even if it is all lies? (I have a plethora of links to Unionist lies and misinformation if you haven't.) Do you have people in your country who would rather stick with the status quo rather than vote for change in case the change is no better? If you do, you will understand why I always put when/if we get independence! Some of us have never joined the fight.