Sen. Rand Paul says mask mandates were always about 'submission'

https://www.foxnews.com/media/rand-paul-mask-mandates-coronavirus-submission

we absolutely should worry about the future of America, and he’s right to point out this disease and the reaction to it as an example. The mandates pointed out the sheep of this country…. I mean full blown sheep. Spineless people who are so cowardly they live in fear of their family on holidays, live in fear of their neighbors.

Some jumped on board in support of their wallet. This country stepped closer to socialism as a knee jerk reaction. Giving money to the lazy, then telling landlords that they’re screwed and they have to absorb the cost of these loafers. These people are getting free money and don’t even have to pay rent.

This country is now defending and pushing for more socialism that would end the first responsibility for many in life (college loans). That a way to teach em! Don’t worry about responsibility kidos, the adults will take care of you.

the left are making people fearful and lazy. It’s been over a year since I wore a mask and I’m proud of it. I’m also proud when I go to basketball games my home town not one person in the stands young or old aren’t wearing masks. We don’t blame each other if someone gets sick either. Still shake hands like men. While on the news we see all them city dwellers acting like cowards and letting their kids pay the cost. I never want to mixed up in that crowd.

 

Thanks for doing to your part to work together as a nation.

 

Rand Paul, a living tragedy.

 

if we ever have a black plague in this country, we all dead..... people will be walking around like zombies saying "fake plague"

 

Funny… I don’t know a single person who died. But believe what you want.

 

Make sure you check under your bed for that monster too. The masks didn’t stop this disease nor it would for the Black Plague. There is study now that proves the social distancing did not work. Just like Rand Paul pointed out there are countries that did not mask their kids with absolutely no problems at all. Don’t buy into that crap.

 

Scene, a Midwest town, a barrow of corpses is being trundled by. A crier precedes it shouting : "Bring Out Your Dead"

Suddenly a man wearing a MAGA hat bursts from one of the hovels:

"FFFRREEDDDOOMMM" he screams, then falls dead over the other bodies

Anybody wanna sponsor a shooin for 2023 Oscar? Associate Producer credits are going cheap

 

you're right, silly me, that could never happen, God is good and would never create a virus to kill millions of people, he prefers thing like drowning them

 

And the other half will be walking around with ineffective masks even though effective ones exist because some authority told them not to wear the good mask. Only critical thinkers prepared for an actual epidemic/pandemic will survive.

 

We've been repeatedly and thoroughly made aware of the importance of masks for a couple years now.

And, we still have comments like this?

 

So, cite the study!!

And, let us know how you decided to pick the study you decided to pick and why you ignored the rest.

 

Yes. It was criminal to recommend against the best masks and tell people they were unavailable when they were in oversupply.

It was and is a sign of complete lack of critical thinking ability to defend public health entities outright lying to people about mask availability.

I am the ONLY PF member who is not anti mask. I’m one of a group of about 3 PF members who consistently recommended and provided assistance in acquiring good quality masks for Covid mitigation. It is very sad after two years anti maskers like you still peddle disinformation.

 

No, I'm opposed to the whining about history. There were reasons for what happened at the time. And, maybe there is culpability there. US policy is never going to perfectly follow science, as it is only one input to policy making.

That has nothing at all to do with the importance of masks as has been constantly presented by the FDA, CDC, NIAID, and the rest of our medical science community for the last years.

And, I applaud your recognition of that message.

 

The importance of masks is why it is criminal to lie to people about the availability of effective masks.

Lying about the availability of a product is not really an issue of science. The underlying science of mask mitigation makes the act of lying very unethical because it cost untold thousands of lives. Would you support public health entities telling US citizens today that they shouldn’t get vaccinated because there is a shortage of vaccines? That is essentially what happened with N95 masks.

My initial comment was to show listening to “experts” can get you killed. If you want to prosper in a pandemic you MUST use critical thought and you must be prepared. What if the initial SARS-CoV-2 virus had been as transmissible as Omicron? Healthcare would have collapsed. Society may have collapsed. And you had PUBLIC HEALTH officials telling people cloth masks were as good as N95s and that 6 foot social distancing was “good enough”. The poster I responded to was correct. It would have been a disaster. We are so LUCKY this virus was as benign as it is. If it had been even a little worse the failings of our public health entities wouldn’t have just resulted in several hundred thousand deaths, it would have resulted in millions of unnecessary deaths and possibly the collapse of modern society.

Now is the time to LEARN from these “mistakes” not make excuses for them.

 

I live in Maury county Tennessee. A county that voted almost 70% for Trump. The county has 100,000 people and has reported 27,000 cases of Covid.

65% of Maury county residents have been fully vaccinated. By comparison Suffolk county(Boston) 72% have been vaccinated. So that 7% difference caused 3 times the death rate? What liars.

 

I beg any lib on this board to show us links to Covid stats of any 2 counties. One that voted for Potato head and one that voted for Trump. You pick the counties. Show how the deaths have been 3x more as a percentage.

Not one of you will do it because you cannot do it.

 

More whining about history!

Show me the mistakes of NOW. Those are the ones we may be able to do something about.

How about the de Santis moves in Florida, such as choice of a new Surgeon General who can't answer the question of whether vaccines are positive or negative? I mean, actually refuses to answer!

How about the major sources of false information being promoted today on various media outlets that carry people like Robert F Kennedy?

 

Anything documentable you or I post about here on PF is history. People started complaining about the “new” Florida surgeon general in September of 2021 when he was appointed. The CDC stopped recommending AGAINST N95 masks September 10, 2021.

Are you opposed to learning from history? Why or why not? Can we learn from the history of mistakes made by the surgeon general of Florida in a lousy response to a question? I say we can (and had better) learn from all mistakes by left leaning science deniers and right leaning ones.

I showed that mistake for MONTHS in real time as it was happening. People like you defended the lie repeatedly in real time as it was happening and I was pointing it out. You didn’t want to do anything about the lies then and you don’t want to learn from that mistake now.

I’ve been advocating for a systems approach to dealing with Covid including health measures nearly as effective as vaccination (and that make vaccines much more efficacious) since April of 2020. People like you reject such measures even though they are backed by years of peer reviewed research. TODAY you and public health authorities could educate people on simple life decisions that can cut their risk of infection and poor Covid outcomes significantly (vaccinated and unvaccinated). Things as simple as getting adequate sleep. But you won’t and they won’t because public health and saving lives is not top priority.

I advocated in real time for use of monoclonal antibodies as passive vaccines for those who can’t mount an immune response to the vaccines that had EUA and now license for use in the US. Thousands who could have benefited were hospitalized and died over several months of inaction even after phase 3 trials showed safety and efficacy on par with mRNA and viral vector vaccines already approved. It finally happened (approval for use as passive vaccine) just before Omicron made the current tech they ignored for months obsolete. You don’t care. You care more about a guy giving a lousy answer in a confirmation hearing.

I find it fascinating people deny the science for two years (as I pointed out in real time we weren’t following the science) and now say it’s ancient history and doesn’t matter.

You disagree with his statement they are good at reducing hospitalization and death? You disagree with his statement that the data clearly answers the question? What would your reaction be if he came right out and said they are good at reducing poor outcomes but not good at preventing infection and transmission? Would you prefer he outright lie like the CDC does on occasion? I have no attachment to or animosity for the guy. But at least he didn’t blatantly LIE for months about lifesaving mitigations. I’m open to evidence he did, I really don’t know much about him.

I’m happy to discuss specifics but I really don’t know what you are referring to. Most people don’t have any idea what misinformation is. For example I have seen people use the “270 professionals sign letter to Spotify about Joe Rogan” as an example of platforms allowing misinformation. But the actual open letter signed by the so called professionals contains misinformation itself! And the VAST majority can’t spot that misinformation in a letter complaining about misinformation. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Often the definition of misinformation seems to be “something that conflicts with unsubstantiated popular opinion”. Many times I see accusations of “misinformation”, but the accuser can’t even articulate exactly what the misinformation is or present any evidence confirming it actually is misinformation. Nobody seems to want to debate data or other evidence, just dismiss anything they don’t like by calling it misinformation.

 

Ye Gods but I am glad foe Americans that he is no longer a practising surgeon. I mean if he has this much issue with masks what does that tell you about his approach to aseptic technique?

 

Sen. Rand Paul says mask mandates were always about 'submission'​

~ I agree. I believe most who are paying attention do also.

 

Sooooo - wearing a mask in a surgical theatre is “submission”?

 

Sooooo many other factors come into this

 

I can show you the stats from Australia……. Shows this

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02...d-vaccination-rates-in-icu-hospital/100800114

Up to you which group you would rather be in

 

It did in countries that actually had a population that used them.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

 

yep, and people refusing to get the vaccine to make the current President "look" bad or something, talk about dying for a cause