Seven MPs leave Labour Party in protest at Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

The far left is just as dangerous as the far right you know? I'd say more dangerous, because the far left is only a whisker away from full-on anarchy.

 

9 have resigned. Just another (246 - Corbyn) -9 = 236 to go. And then Corbyn can quit too.

The Labour Party = The Achilles Heal of UK Politics.

 

I reckon St. Vince of Cable is in with a chance here? That's all we effing need - Prime Minister Cable??

 

I would have thought Labour are now quite unelectable but the scary thing is, even Corbyn appeals to the young. Labour seems to attract two groups, the first being the staunch Labour supporters and their families who will always feel butt hurt from Thatcher, and the second group are the young that have no wisdom, experience or life skills.

 

Looks like politics has joined the other two 'Get 'em young and you've got 'em for life' brigades - religion and sport?

 

OK, this is the first US AlJazeera video on the American Israeli lobby. It is quite clear this is the sort of thing they are doing on Corbyn. Lying, spying and setting people up. This video is on them doing this to students, on them managing to present fake information on what happened, the video produces the real and in reality putting some students in danger with their hate propaganda.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

There is no question that some of the official Jewish bodies in the UK are actively involved in this and in the attacks and lies against Corbyn. They will tell their members their lies are the truth and probably many of them knowing no better will believe them and believe they are in grave danger. The Jewish left however are very strong in exposing everything which is going on and distancing themselves from it providing as much information as possible. They are very aware that this could lead to antisemitism - the real kind. Always when Israel goes to war along with ordinary protests there is an increase in antisemitism and not necessarily from the far right. More from people who identify all Jews with what Israel is up to and JFJFP has pointed out that given that the main Jewish agencies claim they are speaking for all Jews there may be some excuse for that. However the reality as far as they can judge is that far more Jews are moving to their side....or they might have, prior to what has happened in the UK where I suspect some people are even afraid to point out that the emperor is wearing no clothes - No, there is not an increase in antisemitism in the Labour Party, there is certainly far less antisemitism in the Labour Party than there is Islamophobia in the Tories and almost certainly less genuine antisemitism as well.

I think the most dangerous thing about this is that our Government is heavily involved - which suggests corruption.

 

According to Galloway these people have registered themselves as a Company. He believes the reason for that is in order that they do not have to disclose who is funding them and believes this will, or ought, to be unacceptable to Parliament.

 

It was astonishing listening to Tom Watson on the Marr show this morning, basically he wants Corbyn to look at every accusation of antisemitism personally. There is no room for debate, accusations of antisemitism are now considered to be true unless proved otherwise. Was reading State of Terror last night and it clearly shows how Zionists colluded with the Nazis which was what Livingston said. We are watching a British "McCarthyism" (driven by the press and a tiny faction of the UK population) happening before our very eyes. I am pretty sure it will not be long before my Labour Party membership is revoked.

 

What rational, moral individual could every follow Labour on race and ethnic issues.

 

Can you explain what you mean?

 

The explanation is clearly in the statement. No excuse for racism or ethnocentrism exists.

 

Which statements, policies or manifesto makes you claim that the Labour Party is racist or suffers from ethnocentrism.

 

The antisemitism McCarthiesm in the UK did not begin with Corbyn. It had already been set in motion before he was elected. It began during the 2014 Israeli attack on Gaza. Israel believes its best way of dealing with people complaining about her going against International Law and killing thousands of Palestinians including hundreds of children while leaving thousands with life changing injuries...is to call anyone who does not think this is a cool thing antisemetic.

It made itself clear through a group called the Campaign Against Antisemitism. I saw their launch with Israeli flags. Antisemitism is now criticism of Israel. It has nothing to do with hating Jews for being Jews it is wanting International Law upheld in Israel and Justice for the Palestinian People.

Jews reported receiving questionairs which were quite terrifying in themselves as to what they were suggesting they should be afraid of. Then there was the other one where in every area people were asked several questions to discover whether they were antisemities or not. I read Jews saying it was quite crazy as someone could quite easily answer yes to some of these from a totally different viewpoint than being an anti-Semite. Nonetheless Britain which previously had been one of the least antisemetic countries now was labelled by the CAA as grossly antisemetic. Even our usual very conservative Jewish group which accounts for such things said their work was not up to a standard required. It did not count for anything.....but one person chose to believe what they said and that person was Theresa May.


Lets look at an article on it. I think the author Simon Magorian is a British socialist Jew

https://magoriana.blogspot.com/2018/03/what-is-campaign-against-antisemitism.html

So that was the beginning of the attempt to label the left in the UK as antisemetic and that was before Corbyn became leader and this criticism showed itself to have an extreme right anti Muslim character.

 

Ok to get on with the rest of antisemitism in the UK.

For several years the EU had on the appropriate site a supposed EU working definition of antisemitism. This was created in the US behind closed doors and was never worked on. One of our Universities tried to work with it but it highlights Israel and declared that when speaking about Israel if something could be treated as antisemitism, it was to be taken as antisemetism. The University found that this severely blocked its right to freedom of speech and academic argument. They hence decided to put it in the bin and make another more workable one. Shortly afterwards the EU removed it from the appropriate site and it was dead. It should come as no surprise that Israel was less than pleased with this.

The first major action after this I know of was a Jewish Lecturer taking his Union to court on charges of antisemitism. Clearly someone was funding him and he was also given strong backing by John Mann - the person who tore into Livingstone. He said that he was a Jew and as such he saw Israel as part of him. At college people talked about Israel in a way which hurts his feelings. He argued that that was antisemitism and they must not be allowed to speak in this way. The judge ruled against him and in favour of free speech at our Universities and suggested if hearing people speak of Israel hurt his feelings, he avoid such meetings. I am pretty sure this also was before Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party. I would also like to say that to the best of my knowledge English courts have to date ruled in favour of democratic values of freedom rather than attempts at censorship of people's right to be honest about their opinion of Israel. In this England has shown itself to be more of a balance than some other countries, for instance France and the US where courts have not kept these standards. Whether that will continue is for the future to show.

So the moment Corbyn looked like he stood a chance of winning the Labour Leadership, their was a massive Campaign against him for being antisemetic and this included by the Jewish Right and the Guardian. I hear the Guardian are the worst. Left wing Jews sent a letter to the Guardian making clear that they had never known of Corbyn being antisemetic. On the contrary he had a long history of fighting any kind of racism - as have several others who have recently been accused of antisemitism.

Blair Labour seemed to be at the heart of this. Suddenly a group arrived calling themselves the Jewish Labour Group. They were an old group which had decades ago had a link with the Israeli Labour group but it had long since fallen apart due to the Israeli one's movement to the right. I believe most of them are not Jews but they do have some Jews and their Director is a woman who previously worked in the Israeli Embassy on ways to stop the deligimisation of Israel. Clearly she saw this as a good way. I hope people will look at that Al Jazeera video as it describes work that was then done in the UK which I suspect was of the same kind as it reports in a US University - that is massive attacks, liable, slander and videos snipped and put together to create a completely different impression that what actually happened - they have copies of the original film. I believe something similar happened at Oxford here. A woman was put in to investigate the University itself and she reported to the Jewish Labour Group that she was sorry but she just could not find Institutional antisemitism. As a non hard right British Jew said 'Who ever apologises for not being able to find Institutional Antisemitism. They should be delighted'. It would appear that this woman who I seem to remember hearing was of a similar political stance to them, nonetheless was honest enough in her work that she would not make that up.

We then went to the era where the Jewish Labour Group, remember I am pretty sure more non Jews than Jews, was determined to bring back the European working definition on antisemitism in order that they could stop criticism of Israel while non Israeli or very critical of Israel Jews were just as determined to make sure this did not happen. It was during this time that Jackie Walker suffered her two accusations of antisemitism. She is a black Jewish woman who had spent a great deal of her life working on anti racism. The first reason time she was accused was because Guidio Fawkes had been scanning her social media and had discovered her talking about Jewish involvement in the slave trade. This was seen as blatant antisemitism though she was talking about her own ancestors. I think that attack was stopped quite early particularly when it became known she was a Jew herself and had worked so hard against racism. This was not to last for long. She spoke at a meeting where the Jewish Labour Group were trying to get the EUWDA back. First of all, this was supposed to be a private meeting where people could say anything they wanted and it would go no further. Instead someone recorded some of what she said and reported it out of context. Something like that. Very much the same technique as they used in the States against the supporters of Palestine. So now the lady is no doubt seen by the right to be one of the worst kind of anti-Semites who they had to work hard against Corbyn to punish.

This antisemitism thing is interesting because it moved from being the extreme right against the left to being Blairite Labour against Corbyn and those who supported them. It was only one of the many things they tried but this one seems to have been most effective. You will remember most of these people belong to Labour Friends of Israel and that is organised from out of the Israeli embassy. It was born and bred from there and I am sure will still get its instructions from there. Again look at the video of them in the US, they always keep really quiet about who they have trained with and who they are working for.

Another thing concerning Blairite Labour and intent to defame the left of the party with antisemitism. The Guy who got this going was as I said Guido Fawkes. He trawled peoples social media accounts looking for anything with which he could defame them, traumatise them and make their lives hell. One person I seem to remember had just been watching and was describing a film which happened to be of WW2. She told her friend what the Nazi's said. Straight away she was an anti-Semite it being claimed she had said those things. Another example was a new Muslim MP who some years before she became MP had posted a cartoon Norman Finklestein had on his website. He could not believe she had to apologise for her antisemitism for that. He said bad though the US was, no one would consider a joke like that antisemitism. Now what is interesting about Guido Fawkes is that he was the person who arranged for people to buy into New Labour and give up the values on which it was based. Hardly surprising to see him back again wanting to keep Blairite neo liberalism going.

For a while everyone gave up on calling Corbyn antisemetic as it apparently was obvious he was not but recently it has become the game to call him it again. The interest is still the same. The desire is to get a code on antisemitism which like the EU working definition can be used to stop honest discussion on Israel. So they found another one similar but even worse on its equation of criticism of Israel and antisemitism. May said she had accepted it for the country and suggested that if Colleges, Councils and everywhere else did not take this on as full and went against it they would be going against the law. This was a massive attempt at censorship by May and people were quick to tell people this simply was not the case. They did not need to accept it. Many though did believing it was the right thing to do. The main interest however was getting Labour to accept this new definition and that was done by screaming antisemitism at anyone who was not shouting from the rooftops how they supported the IHRA. Meanwhile the man who had created it was saying how disturbed he was at how it had been used to oppress people. Labour had no problem in accepting most of it. Their problem came in accepting particular bits which were connected to Israel and even more because not only would that stop people being able to debate Israeli honestly it also was going to make all Palestinians antisemetic. Labour was forced, absolutely forced to accept this. There was no democracy going on here. Their was no right of people to make choices based on their conscience. Their was unremitting demand that this be done or Corbyn and any on the left who agreed were going to be seen as worse anti-Semites than the Nazis. He should not have accepted it. Time and time again in this Corbyn has bent over backwards trying to show his sympathy for Jews who appear to feel hurt by his political views. Left wing Jews went out of their way providing papers with the strongest arguments that accepting these sections was nothing to do with antisemitism but rather were to make seeking justice in Israel illegitimate. It seems it was the leader of Momentum Jon Landsman who convinced Corbyn to accept it. A lot of people were very angry about that. I think they have put in some line which they believe will allow them still to conduct Politics with the freedom we are supposed to be allowed in the West.

and Guess What? The Tories have not accepted the clauses they were screaming at Labour they were antisemities for not accepting.

and the drama of calling Corbyn and the left of the labour part antisemites continues. It is the most destructive thing that could have been done concerning antisemitism itself. It has rendered the term meaningless.

 

Beg your pardon what I am calling the Jewish Labour Group up there is the Jewish Labour Movement.

 

'astonishing'? He was obviously undermining Corbyn for the purpose of eventually getting rid of him - and not a moment too soon? Corbyn is even more deluded than May, and that's saying something!

 

article from another angry voice on the hypocrisy of these people

https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/

 

Feb 20th 2019

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ty-crucial-ally-in-fight-against-antisemitism