Should our intake of migrants change, and if yes to what extent?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully (my bold).

    We could do with zero Religion of Peace-ists, just for starters. That should be automatic exemption. Then enforce harsh immigration criteria. If you're not fluent in English, don't have a ton of money (or immediate ability to earn same in a needed profession), or think women are property, stay home. If there's any chance you or any family members will need welfare in the first 5 years, stay home.

    We can always use more NE Asians, Southern Europeans, Nigerians, Indians, etc. All groups have demonstrated their willingness to assimilate and contribute peacefully - without opportunistic abuse of social security - in their long diaspora histories.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    Whoever is operating this account, it needs a service. It thinks Australia is America.
     
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    1) We already have that. We ALL have access to free education, free healthcare, and solid welfare. The ultimate level playing field. The great equalisers.

    2) See above. An level playing field is what we HAVE, regardless of who is in power.

    3) Not sure why you think those who believe everyone should earn what they have are greedy. I would have said that those who expect to be fed and housed just for existing, are greedy and self-centred.

    4) See 1). You already have it.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    No thanks. We don't want any Nordic snowflakes. I'll take Chinese and Nigerian, they're smarter and more ambitious.
     
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    Great idea! And I agree wholeheartedly that cities and their inhabitants are problematic. For the environment, and society generally.
     
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    I'd like to see the '20 acre' idea rolled out for all so-called refugees. Make it compulsory. When they find out they can't just flop down in the capital city of their choice and start drawing benefits, the numbers will fall dramatically. Only the genuine will be left (because if you ARE genuine, you won't mind a bit .. as long as you're safe).
     
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    naturalization and aliens, not immigration; get legal to Constitutional law, right winger.
     
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    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    I was paraphrasing Trump who didn’t want migrants from shitholes.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mixing cultures and religions does not work - one will always seek to dominate or proseletyze the other, and that's when the troubles start.
     
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    Like Ireland?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who would? Does Australia?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Like anywhere!
     
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    I was being witty. You were supposed to laugh.
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Sy,
    so many right wingers here, it's like the measles. Well you do get over the measles, but not that lot....
    Reg.
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    cb,
    that is the mindset of populism & racism of the more extreme right. Australia is a fine example (as well as NZ), that those things can work. Maybe not always perfect, but certainly good enough for most people to feel at home, surrounded by neighbors, which differ in color or religion.
    To me that makes life, and I am happy and proud of it. Wouldn't want to have it any other way....
    Reg.
     
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    I actually think inequality is at the root of most problems, mixing cultures work better when the inequality gap is smaller. Once you have a widening gap between rich and poor all your other problems/intolerances multiply.

    We are at a pivotal point of Australia's future, if we allow this gap to continue along the trajectory it is going now, we are going to become a generally dissatisfied society with the violence and the yelling from the extreme left and right worsening.

    Immigration numbers play an important part in the widening of our rich poor gap because our migrants have a role in keeping our wages low (bigger workforce lower wages).. a benefit to rich business owners, governments collecting tax and wanting a high GDP. Refugees frequently fill the rental homes for the wealthy... as do some of the other migrant classes.. again benefitting the wealthy.

    A few days ago inflation figures came out at zero

    https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...y/news-story/5652a90757b67a9611073937e1b6381e

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    This to me this is an indication that Australians have decreased spending, for obvious reasons which are high levels of debt and cost of housing, high living expenses. To business this means lower income, less growth, less jobs.. if you now continue to bring high numbers of migrants into Australia they will place even more downward pressure on wages... to get a job you need to work for less.

    it's very important we get the migrant numbers right, it's also very important government address inequality and assist Australians who cannot afford homes with some form of housing.
     
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    Well, to that extent I agree with him.
     
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    See? Clearly this unit hasn't been serviced in some time. I suspect it's fallen out of gearing sequence, and the pacing/repetition is haywire.
     
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    Spoken like someone who's never lived in times or places of real cultural warfare. And resorting to the race card? Seriously? That's so 2016.

    Meantime, none of it is about skin. No one gives a shiite about that stuff. If you have an alien yet COMPATIBLE culture (eg, Chinese, Nigerian, Southern European, Japanese) we'll embrace you. If you have an INCOMPATIBLE culture, you're not welcome.
     
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    High levels of debt are a personal choice. Govt has no place in that scenario.

    ALL Australians can afford some form of housing. Spend time in the most economically depressed regional towns, and you'll find zero homeless ... other than a few who literally seek it out. That proves the point remarkably well. The poorest of the poor (welfare recipients) can meet rent in such places.
     
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    only the nine hundred ninety-nine, say that because there are not enough morals to go around.
     
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    You're obviously an idealist, but the evidence generally speaking is that it doesn't work; it might be all hunky-dory at first but it won't last.
     
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    So,
    you mean show us your passport and we like you or we don't?
    No mate, I can't give a rats ass where someone comes from, or of what religion or else, he/she is either a nice person, or they aren't.
    I live in a predominant white true blue society, with all the bitching going on every day, neighbors telling their neighbors what to do and what not to do and so on. My most often positive experience with migrants is certainly not limited to the countries you are suggesting, but it is important that they are sincere people. Many of my neighbors are trying to have an advantage all the time, disgusting....
    Reg.
     
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    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Where do you guys make all those negative experiences? This is very sad, I feel sorry for you.
    Reg.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Give me an example of one of these negative experiences and perhaps I'll understand where you're coming from and be able to explain?
     

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