Should schools teach students how not to be killed by police?

It is also not a fact that cops join police agencies for a license to kill. The vast majority of people who become cops do so because they want to help people.

 

He wouldn’t have been able to kill17people within a couple of minutes
Why does anyone need a gun that can do that?

 

You are absolutely correct I do not really know my guns at all. The A.R. 15 was in fact design for military use but the military was using another gun which I don’t know the name of. If that young man did not have access to that gun with the ability to kill 17 within two minutes there would not be 17 dead.Same with the concert goers , same with the church goers, same with all the school shootings.same with the club shootings. I guess you have to explain to me why you want these guns so easily available when they are basically designed for the military. Is it to make men feel more manly? Are they compensating for something

 

Renee is right, I believe.

If the United States could somehow confiscate all guns, and keep people from getting new ones, then we wouldn't have any gun crime in the US. Q.E.D.

If it could somehow confiscate all semi-automatic guns (both rifles and handguns) with high-capacity magazines, then we would have fewer mass shootings. I can't prove this, but it seems reasonable to me. We don't have any mass killings by belt-fed automatic weapons because these are practically impossible to get, although if you really want to commit mayhem, an M2 Browning .50 cal is hard to beat -- you can kill people at a mile's distance, disable vehicles and even light armored cars, and if you're engaging a sniper in a tree, you just cut down the tree. But you can't buy 'em over the counter at Walmart, so your mass-murderer has to do with tamer stuff.

So I think Renee is right -- IF we could get rid of guns, no killing by guns, and if we could get rid of very effective guns, then no killing by very effective guns which would, plausibly, mean lower body counts at the local elementary school.

If Nicholas Cruz -- how grateful we must be that this poor young man was not put in that awful school-to-prison pipeline liberals have managed to do away with in many places -- had had to use a bolt-action rifle with a five-round magazine, he probably would have only been able to kill five or ten people. And maybe someone could have rushed him while he was changing magazines, or a brave policeman (what's wrong with law enforcement in Florida????) could have taken him out while he was chambering a new round.

IF IF IF ... that's the problem! If I had some eggs, I could have ham and eggs, if I had some ham.

I've offered Renee a reasonable gun control law, way back a few pages. Restrict gun ownership to .22 rifles and handguns, and maybe shotguns and higher-caliber rifles via hunting clubs. Make it hard to buy them -- you have to get a license and go to just one shop in every state.

There is already a country where a law like this is in force, and its homicide rather is rather dramatically different than the US rate -- by a factor of three. I haven't read of any mass shootings of innocent school children by individual maniacs there ... or at least not on the US scale.

My guess is that if we instituted that law -- although it would be very difficult, giving the number of guns owned in the US, requiring a great expansion of surveillance, informers, stiff prison sentences for offenders -- we might obtain the same homicide level as the country I have in mind.

 

Rather than buy guns and train teachers which is ridiculous,why don’t they make these guns illegal and use the money to buy the guns from those who have them? Maybe we should tax the ultra rich 1% to do this.

 

I don't own an AR 15, I am opposed to banning any gun. If killing 17 people in 2 minutes is your reason for banning the AR then you would want to ban multiple shot guns. Many handguns hold 14 to 16 rounds and magazines can be changed in less than 5 seconds by even the most inexperienced users. Plus handguns can be concealed much easier than the AR 15. If we allow the AR 15 to be banned now how long before you people go after all guns? It is easier to go after the guns than it is to try and fix the reasons why people kill other people. When people use vehicles to kill many people nobody calls for banning motor vehicles. The easy way out is not always the best.

 

Almost any gun can do that even a revolver.

 

"Rather than buy guns and train teachers which is ridiculous,why don’t they make these guns illegal and use the money to buy the guns from those who have them? Maybe we should tax the ultra rich 1% to do this."

Well, before we do that, why not try the "make it illegal" move on something we almost all can agree is pretty bad, and which is the direct or indirect cause of far far more deaths than AR15s: I'm talking about hard drugs, like heroin and cocaine and methamphetimines.

Why not just make them illegal? Then there wouldn't be any and we wouldn't have all these deaths caused by hard drugs.

Yes ... that's it!!! Just make them illegal!

Why the heck haven't we done that yet?? I'll bet it's those darn Republicans!

Anyway, a new crusade: Make Hard Drugs Illegal!!! Stop deaths by Hard Drugs!!! Make them illegal!!!

Why isn't anyone calling for this????

 

Last I heard heroin and coke are illegal ....Hey if people want to shoot themselves in the head I have no problem with that. If people want to kill themselves with heroin and Coke and opioids so be it. But when one wants to kill dozens of people at a time , for some reason I think that is worse. We aren’t talking about personal destruction, I’m surprised you see them as the same
I am still confused that you think these drugs are legal. And you sound like a real Trumper , you know , just distracting from the issue we’re talking about .
Wanna talk about killing seals?

 

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Great, . Let’s do nothing., (sarcasm alert)

 

Doing something that would make no difference just to be doing something is not the right thing to do.

 

You mean you couldn't read the sarcasm in his entire post. He was pointing out that making something illegal doesn't actually put an end to the problem, it only stops people who obey the laws, you know honest people.

 

Of course it doesn’t put an end to the problem. But like cocaine, because it is illegal it is very expensive. When guns are illegal they will be very expensive...and fewer people will have access to them.

 

How do you know it will make no difference? If an A.R. 15 is illegal it will definitely make a difference.

 

Renee .... you say heroin and cocaine and the other hard drugs that kill so many people -- and not just the people who take them, since a lot of crime is driven by the need of addicts to get money for their drugs -- are already illegal???? Damn... didn't know that. As a stupid Trumper of course I'm not as intelligent or well-informed as you, so I'll take your word for it.

But ... wait a minute ... you say they're illegal ... and yet they're still widely available and killing thousands of people every year... how can that be? If something's illegal, it will not be widely available, surely? Anyway, you say if we make guns, or certain kinds of guns, illegal, they will not be available.

Hmmm.... my poor old slow Trumper's brain sees some sort of logical contradiction here but I just can't put it together.... let me try to work it out ...

(1) If something is illegal, it will not be available. [Which is why we must make guns illegal. So they won't be available. Or not widely available.]
(2) Hard drugs are illegal.
(3)Therefore, hard drugs are not available. Or not widely available.

Down in my Trumpian trailer park we call this a Silly-gism or something like that. (But only after we've gotten good and drunk and staggered outside and emptied our revolvers into the air, and occasionally into each other.)

But if hard drugs are available, then either (1) or (2) must be false ... yes? Or is that Trumpian illogic? But maybe all three are true, and hard drugs are not widely available. Too much for my tiny Trumpian brain to work out. (Tiny brains go with tiny 'fingers'.)

I think I'll stick with your logic, you being smarter than me: make guns illegal, so they, like hard drugs, will not be widely available.

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No it will only change the weapon the sickos use to kill people. If this guy didn't have an AR he would have used handguns which could have done the job just as easily. You can obtain any kind of gun you want illegally off the street all you need is money.

 

Now we get to your ultimate desire, to make all guns illegal. You just stated what would happen if guns were illegal, only criminals will have access to guns and all you would have to do to get one is spend money, no background checks, no record of purchase, nothing but money.

 

You mentioned how much smarter i am than you... repeatedly, so it’s a waste of time to talk to someone so intellectually inferior. Thanks for the heads up

 

Sorry, I meant military guns,,,the ones that can blow away dozens of people in a minute....like we see over and over and over

 

I repeat, the AR15 is not a military gun, military weapons can fire fully automatic and empty the magazine with one trigger pull. The AR only looks military.

 

The AR WAS designed for the military...All I know is the A.R. 15 Has Killed Way too many people. Why you would defend people having it is beyond me. And I repeat you love guns more than you care about people

 

The AR has never killed anyone by themselves, they were controlled by people. I own guns and none of them have ever killed anyone. Maybe you should try to stop the reasons people kill other people. I guess that is just too hard for you, it is easier to blame inanimate objects instead of the people using them.

 

There are millions of mentally ill people all over the world....they don’t mass shoot. We have millions of mentally ill women in this country, they don’t mass murder.
I guess it’s too hard for you to understand if these gun nuts didn’t have access to them, they couldn’t kill dozens of people in minutes. Remind me to tell the hundreds killed by that gun, that it wasn’t the bullets that killed them
Your problem is that you are saying guns don’t kill it’s just the people ignoring the fact that people with these guns kill.

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People kill regardless of what weapon they use. All sorts of guns can kill dozens in minutes as can cars and trucks. The problem I see is people wanting to ban ARs simply because they look evil to them. All of your arguments against them can be used against anything. Just admit it is because of the way they look and because of that some have joined your band wagon.

 

Kids drink no matter what, so let’s have no age limit.
You’re right, they do look evil....ask the hundreds killed by them