So if You're a GOP, Tea Party or Libtarian, How Do You Justify Perry?

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  1. NoPartyAffiliation

    NoPartyAffiliation New Member

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    I'm curious about this. I was actually posting in his favor the days before he announced. Now he's being vetted and some things have come out.
    So if you're a Conservative, Republican, Tea Partier or Libertarian, how do you justify voting for a guy who raised the debt so much in his state?
    I mean, what's your slogan gonna be??? Something like:

    "Vote for our guy! He did exactly the things we complained most loudly about but hey, on the positive side, he once shot a coyote!"

    So you have:
    RomneyCare
    TexanDebtDude
    Other Candidates who don't have a snowball's chance in hell.

    The biggest problem I see for the GOP right now, is not Obama. Obama sucks. The biggest problem for the GOP is going to be getting their candidates to pass muster with their own new, diversified base.
     
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    I justify Perry because he has a solid record in Texas actually if you weed through the mudslinging. He's a 3 term governor, longest in state history. Yes he raised a deficit but paid it down with Obama's stimulus money. Now some people thought that was hypocritical I personal thought it was the right thing to do. It's not reasonable to ask him to send the money back to Obama I mean seriously. Also, more jobs moved to Texas than anywhere else in the past few years, which is good. And they weren't only minimum wage jobs but even if they were that leaves Obama with: "vote for me I won't create a good environment for jobs and will probably kill many more while I'm at it, but hey, at least you won't have to live through the embarrassment of working for min. wage." Obama has no arguments but he's good at spinning still.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How do you conveniently lump libertarians in there? I'm a libertarian and I don't justify Perry, nor should I have to since he himself is NOT a libertarian.

    It would be like asking, "Liberals, how do you justify Margaret Thatcher?"
     
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    It's true many libertarians are just fiscally conservative democrats
     
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    I'm not big on Perry at all. He's electable and all that... but he's not the answer, he's the status quo.

    Conservatives need to understand that we're not going to win with a polarizing far right candidate like Bachman (et al.) or as Perry is trying to be.

    I get the impression that Obama buyer remorse is at an all time high... yet... give Liberals, Centrist, and many Independents the choice between Obama and a far right candidate and they're likely going with Obama (yes... even with as bad as things are for Obama now).

    The Left seems weak currently, but don't underestimate them, or how they'll react once it's very obvious that Obama is on the way out only to be replaced with someone to the far right. That would only energize them.
     
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    tomfoo13ry Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's just silly. Democrats want the government to control social issues just as much as Republicans do, they just have different pet issues.

    Dems want the government to recognize gay marriage. Libertarians will tell you that the government has no business in any type of marriage, be it gay, straight, polygamous, etc...

    Democrats want to legalize marijuana because many democrats like to smoke the wacky-backy. When it comes to heroin, cocaine, etc. they sing a different tune. Libertarians will tell you that the government has no business telling people what substances they can and cannot consume, full stop. There's no "Oh this should be legal but this shouldn't".

    The list goes on and on. When democrats and libertarians seem to be on the same side of an issue it is almost always simply a coincidence. Libertarians have basic principles that determine their stance on any particular issue whereas Democrats just want what they want and expect the government to supply it for them.
     
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    Yeah I was mostly joking. But I was referring to foreign policy. I mean can't we at least stay in Korea, Japan, Germany. I understand wanting to pull out of the middle east but everywhere? Can't we at least do a study first to see what, if any, unintended consequences (like heating up of korean war for instance) will result of bringing all troops home? Oh what am I thinking, you don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Japan's GDP is ~$5.5 trillion, S. Korea's GDP is ~$1 trillion. On the other hand, North Korea's GDP is ~$28 billion with a 'B' (which is about equal to that of Vermont and less than that of Ethiopia). I think they'll be okay without our military presence.

    As for Germany, who exactly are we protecting Germany from? They have all of Europe backing them up.

    I don't expect foreign nationals to flip the bill for my defense so why should I pay for the defense of foreign nationals?

    Also, to address the point you were trying to make, I don't see the Democrats calling for withdrawing all of our troops from around the world. In fact, they've had ample opportunity and have declined to do so.
     
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    The more people talk about Perry the less I like him.

    So stop talking about Perry.
     
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    Attack our leeches at home first then. If we cut all federal entitlements, or most, we could afford to have our military where it is. Think of all the jobs you will be killing.
     
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    The world doesn't revplve around you, so no. He is your next president, get used to it honey. Besides, he's not cute enough for you in a fatherly kind of way?
     
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    You are seeking "justification" from those who owe no "justification" in the first place.

    It's been Obama in the drivers seat of this Republic for the past two/two and half years.

    Not Governor Perry.

    No, when it comes to "justification".

    IF anyone, is owed "justifications" it's the American people.

    Who President Obama has lied too time and time again.

    But that's ok, that's alright libs. If we really want to talk about "justifications" fine lets do.

    We can begin, with hearing and seeing the "justification" for MSNBC and liberal host, after liberal host there. Flat out fabricating statements they attributed to Governor Perry, in a clear cut attempt at falsely, and wrongfully labeling the Governor as a racist.

    We can begin with hearing and seeing the "justification" for the way in which the liberals over at ABC news, turned right around, and did precisely the same thing, not one day after their comrade's over at MSNBC were caught reporting slanderous, complete fabrications as if they were facts.
     
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    You say that you don't like Obama but I think he's been your guy from Day One and will be no matter who the Republicans nominate.

    Neither Perry or Romney are Ronald Reagan but either one is better than Obama by a mile.
     
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    I don't see why I should be flipping the bill for either one.

    Think of Eisenhower's warning about the military industrial complex. When an economy relies on war making then what is the inevitable result?

    Think about what you're saying. It is basically the same thing as Krugman's recent call for a fake alien invasion to boost the economy.
     
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    I don't justify any politician. I don't have to. I just have to vote. I feel really sorry, pity actually, for liberals who feel compelled to "justify" President Obama. Hey, they screwed up when they voted. It happens.

    I'm about as eager to vote for Gov. Romney as I was Sen. McCain.

    I think Sarah Palin is so hated she doesn't have a chance. A lot of Americans listen to Tina Fey and think they're hearing Sarah Palin. Pitiful, really.

    Rep. Bachmann is possible although I understand the misogynists on the left hate her, too.

    I have respect for Ron Paul but voting for him would be giving a vote to Obama.

    I like Christie, too, but he isn't running.

    Of course, I won't vote for President Obama. Well, I'm old so if I died between now and election day I'd probably vote for Obama. That's what Democrats do. I wonder if I got a tattoo on my chest that said, "I'm not voting for Obama," if it would help.
     
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    You couldn't possibly be any more wrong about that. He's the one thing ALL GOP candidates have in common.... they're not him. Therefore, most people will vote for whoever ends up on the Rep ballot.

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    You're right. I'm wrong. Still getting familiar with the non-DemGOP parties. My apologies.
     
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    I don't like him. That should be a good enough reason for anyone.
     
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    Love that you instantly label me a Lib. Was it my comment that Obama sucks? Is that what gave away my Liberalness?

    Um yeah. Okay. So the GOP obviously has it's hands full. Guys like Romney are way to Liberal for the extreme Right or even budget hawks. Rick Perry is the living reincarnation of Junior Bush - the only president that most Indies and Moderates consider worse than Obama (although give Obama enough time and who knows? He's just not as bad as Bush yet). Then you have Whackmann who is an absolute guarantee of Obama getting a second term.

    Perry, the next president? Like I said, I was all for him at first but after a bit of vetting and then hearing him talk, not a chance.
     
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