So you think Trump is going to win the election, eh? Not so fast.....

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Think again, if Trump is convicted, 23% of swing state Republicans say they won't vote for him and his upcoming trial is in NEW YORK CITY. Lot's of fans there, right? New Yorkers HATE Trump. Every voting district in Manhattan went for Joe Biden in the last election.

    Gonna be fun!

    And a trial is to begin soon.

    Cya in November. And, don't count your chickens.

    Hah!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...e-convicted-of-a-crime-poll-shows/ar-BB1hW2fB
     
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    More proof that the trials are politically motivated.

    And, an admission that the jury is biased against Trump.
     
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    That is disgusting. Admits to wrong doing and proud of it.
     
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    Why would anyone anywhere believe ny could find a jury of anti t****ers? Perhaps convince even t****ers of guilt sure but some will be pro before.
     
  7. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well if Trump wouldn't admit to his wrong doing he would save us all a trial And tax payer expense. This case is cut-and-dry.The documents are there Trump cannot win.He'd be better off pleading guilty
     
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    While any claims the trials are politically motivated are beyond moronic, Trump won’t be convicted of anything before November…if at all.
     
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    But what about Biden's. His documents should have never been there. Why isn't the DOJ going after him?

    You own words said it was political when you said how great it was that the jury would be from New York.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    This has been explained to you before
    You'd prefer a jury from Oklahoma?

    Don't lie to me.
     
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    Republicans keep saying they're not going to vote for Trump, but they keep voting for him.
     
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    Doesnt sound like you think Trump is going to get a fair trial in NYC... and that doesnt make me want to vote for him less.
     
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    I don't care how many times you think you are explaining it, Biden broke the law. In many ways the documents were more likely to be compromised by Biden than Trump. And only Trump is being prosecuted.
     
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    Wherever there is an unbiased jury will be fine.

    I believe in fair trials. Apparently you do not.
     
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    Not a polling source I trust. With that said, and assuming the numbers were reasonably accurate when the poll was conducted, it does little to reassure me. The fact the race is as close as it is shows just how feeble the Democrats are at rallying support to their side. The Democrats should be able to run an actual donkey against Trump and easily win. The fact the race is so close is nothing for the Democrats to be proud of.

    Even if Trump is found criminally guilty, I doubt it will do much to change his standing in the race. If Trump wins, I will place 100% of the blame on Democrat incompetence.
     
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    I knew you'd say that. You'll take the high road only when it's convenient.

    Well I honestly believe a New York jury will be more honest and less biased than an Oklahoma jury.

    Trump is squawking all day long trying to get judge Marchan recused because his daughter is a democrat.So do you think Marchan is biased? Well Trump does but I don't see you criticizing him.

    But clearly you are biased so of what value is your opinion on this point?
     
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    If he's convicted it will affect the race. Races are decided by the middle who are not hard core.
     
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    Morning Consult/Bloomberg is a reputable poll.

    COPILOT:

    Morning Consult, known for conducting scientific online polling, uses a stratified sampling process and collaborates with multiple nationally recognized vendors to access a broad American audience. To ensure accuracy, they apply weights based on age, race/ethnicity, gender, educational attainment, and region, aligning with the Current Population Survey standards from 2016. This methodological rigor contributed to Morning Consult having one of the most accurate national polls during the 2016 presidential election.
     
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    Reagan, Biden and Pence all took docs, but you only criticize Biden.

    Your bias is clear.
     
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    Yet the middle elected him before thus it can happen again. I think it would be unwise to underestimate support for Trump lest the sting we never Trumpers felt in 2016 be revisited. Plenty in the middle like me are sick and tired of the endless childish bickering and impotent leadership from both parties. Unless Democrats replace Biden then an unknown number of moderates like I will vote 3rd party or perhaps stay home and get drunk or stoned… or maybe both!
     
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    I have no reason to doubt you. But as I am very cautious about sources I will vet it as I would like to have more than Pew and Gallup to fall back on.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no way to replace Biden.It's too late logistically speaking. Additionally, as an incumbent, it's his to take.
     
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    I’m not so sure a hush money trial, even if convicted would change where things stand today. 91 federal indictments didn’t change anything. A conviction in the New York fraud trial didn’t change anything. Trump has led Biden by a couple to 5 points since September of last year. I think the trials that could change things if they happen would be the two federal trials where prison time is an option.


    I think you need to remember that both Trump and Biden are disliked and unwanted by most Americans to become their next president. Enthusiasm to vote in the upcoming presidential election isn’t there. At least as of today. Only Trump and Biden avid supporters are enthusiastic. How do Americans view these two candidates? 34% of all Americans have a favorable view of Biden, but not Trump. 37% of all Americans have a favorable view of Trump but not Biden. Then you have 26% of all Americans who view both Trump and Biden unfavorably. Add those who view one or the other unfavorable to those who view both unfavorably, you have over 60% of all Americans who have a negative view of Trump and another 60% who view Biden negatively.


    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ve-unfavorable-views-of-both-biden-and-trump/


    Few Americans are looking forward to this upcoming rematch. 64% say this country needs another choice other than Trump and Biden. Both major parties sure know how to pick the most disliked and unwanted candidates which I suppose is their way of telling most Americans to stick it where the sun don’t shine.


    https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/HHP_Mar2024_KeyResults.pdf
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Then do a little more research before you declare you don't trust a particular poll. Polls are polls and the outliers are well known and Morning Consult isn't one of them.
     
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    Biden has gotten a bad rap because of inflation, which was worldwide and due to the pandemic and not really his fault yet, republicans will never tell the truth on that point.
     
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