Socialized health care at its best...

Dying of thirst in a NHS center: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170267/My-17-hours-hell-hospital-patient-died-thirst-Left-unattended-agony-writers-account-ordeal-NHS-centre-excellence.html.

Hospitals 'letting patients die to save money’: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9385674/Hospitals-letting-patients-die-to-save-money.html.

 

Oh, no. Not at its best.

This is what you have now:

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/doctors-remove-51-pound-tumor-jersey-woman-231035063--sector.html

 

She could have gone to the emergency room.

 

Who would have sent her to an oncologist.

Dupree said he would advise uninsured patients to see a doctor immediately if they knew they were unwell no matter how near their 65th birthday might be. He said the hospital would have operated on Evelyn regardless of her insurance status, but added he did not know whether doing so would have cost her more money


Which means it certainly would.

 

I would rather owe money than be dead. You could pay $25/month let's say. They cannot fault you for paying at least something, if that was the case. I'm sure she would also qualify for other assistance if she was that poor.

 

Obviously not, as she decided to wait.

She wouldn't have needed to wait under the NHS.

 

Obviously not, as she decided to wait.

She wouldn't have needed to wait under the NHS.

 

She didn't HAVE to wait.

 

You expect sick people to figure all this out do you? To take a gamble that they wont be further in debt down the line eh?

 

If they wait too long, then I guess it won't matter, eh?

 

45,000 Americans used to die from RepubliCONcare every year:


http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php


Such a heart break to the "pro life" GOP that this won't happen anymore.

 

A friend who is poor and works, he has a 28 hour a week full time for them Walmart job had such a bill sent it to collections and put a lien on his one asset his home. I avoid this only due to not having anything to go after and NO credit at all, making me an unappealing person to waste the time on and the hospitals must write off the debt abusing ,I admit, the charity care law. But the system is not a good one even in the original post its better than no health care in most cases.

If you were a pauper in India with nothing would you consider seeing a nurse practitioner a good thing if your sick, get real people most of you have no clue what its like being poor long term.

 

I don't have much to say to you after seeng your avatar.

 

You don't have much to say anyway.

 

middle class is more liable , best thing to do is open offshore corporation put all assets there apply for medicaid . leech of US healthcare until it goes to NHS

 

This is incorrect use of the word socialized. Nationalization is not socialization.

 

This is ONLY because of the huge cuts to services and the slow privatization of the NHS caused by the Conservative party. It's to do with right wing policies dealing with the NHS. The cuts don't affect the NHS in Scotland and it's not getting privatized there and I have been on the receiving end of the NHS in Scotland only to find it professional, quick to get to the problem and caring.

 

In all fairness people die unnecessarily in American hospitals to. I remember a while back someone dropping dead after waiting for 11 hours to be seen in a L.A. ER waiting area. The deceased person laid on the floor for 30 minutes before anybody did anything... if memory serves me right. So is that the status quo or a statistical outlier? I say the person who dropped dead in the L.A. ER waiting area was a statistical outlier. But here in Canada many Canadians see that as the status quo. It is sad how people can take the worst case scenarios and make them the norm. Ignorance abounds and is not confined to America or Canada... it is a human thing to be so short sighted from time to time. Happens to us all.

I am an American living in Canada, and I am no fan of socialized health care. I would take the American system with all its faults over the Canadian system. Although to be fair and objective, I do have to point out that the average life expectancy here in Canada is significantly higher than that of the USA.

 

In a country where the government is democratically controlled or elected, nationalization is socialization. Control by the government is control by the people.

 

Oh God, if you think its bad enough in ER waiting rooms, wait till Affordable care act, and then universal health care.

People often spend the night in those ER rooms, now they will sleep outside

 

I fear you may be right. Some of my family and friends back in the USA seem to think that UHC will be amazing, with no downside, just like in Canada... until I tell them that UHC in Canada has only a basic level of "covered" health care and that eye care, dentists, and meds cost extra. Then I start in on the long waiting lists to see specialist, long waits in the ER where parking is $3.00 an hour. Then there are the gaps in the system and the people who are forced to forgo meds after a surgery because of a gap in coverage. Ya, its a real utopia here in comparison to the USA... not!

The reality is that UHC in the States will have some positives and some negatives, and I fear the most Americans will be shocked by the reality of UHC. I doubt it will live up to all the hype.

 

If UHC doesn't cover dentistry, eye care, and only primary care physician services, then they are better off getting the cheap private health insurance, which covers exactly the same things.

There appears to be no difference if they can't get the comprehensive care the rich get, like quick access to specialized care, dentistry to cover those expensive extractions of wisdom teeth, eye care, free medications, no unreasonable wait times, etc...

This socialized health care looks like one big mess for someone whose working, rich, or in the middle class. Thank goodness I am neither and on welfare, so this won't affect me since I suffer from these free, subpar, health care handouts already.

 

Here's a little task for you: Compare amenable mortality rates and see where the US comes relative to the countries with national health care

 

As long as those mortality rates are measured in the same way - with the same standards for measuring infant mortality and such.

 

Indeed. One always likes robustness when making international comparisons. Careful though, its decidedly grim reading for the US system