South Dakota’s Mortality Report, FINAL 2020

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    FINAL 2020!

    Source; https://doh.sd.gov

    South Dakota Mortality Report Final 2020

    Thus, let’s analyze......

    Kristi Noem’s 2020 Health Department Mortality Statistics

    VERSUS

    The mistrusted CDC’s Mortality Statistics

    Question; Were South Dakota’s 2020 Covid19 related death numbers inflated or not?

    Answer; According to SD’s DoH Mortality Final Statistics, DEFINITELY NOT!

    Note; During the pandemic, Trump and his supporters have often stated that the number
    of Covid19 related deaths were inflated, and many have claimed “THEY” would have died of other causes.

    Let’s see.......

    South Dakota Resident Leading Causes of Death

    Total Deaths;

    2015; 7,724 deaths
    2016; 7,838.......+ 114 deaths
    2017; 7,991.......+ 153 deaths
    2018; 7,971........minus 20 deaths
    2019; 8,273.......+ 302 deaths
    2020; 9,857.......+ 1,584 deaths????????

    1. Heart Disease

    2019; 1,840
    2020; 1,819.......minus 21 deaths

    2. Cancer

    2019; 1,736
    2020; 1,728.......minus 8 deaths

    3. Covid19

    2020; 1,497

    Note; Worldometer’s South Dakota December 31st Covid Deaths; 1,488.......minus 10 deaths

    4. Unintentional injuries

    2019; 512
    2020; 569........+ 57 deaths

    5. Alzheimer Disease

    2019; 496
    2020; 488........minus 8 deaths

    6. Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease

    2019; 521
    2020; 429........minus 92 deaths

    7. Cerebrovascular Disease

    2019; 373
    2020; 426........+ 53 deaths

    8. Diabetes

    2019; 287
    2020; 329.......+ 42 deaths

    9. Chronic Liver Disease

    2019; 154
    2920; 235......+ 81 deaths

    10. Suicide

    2019; 185
    2020; 185

    11. Influenza and pneumonia

    2019; 189
    2020; 142........minus 47 deaths

    12. All other causes

    2019; 1,980
    2020; 2,910........+ 30 deaths

    ANTICIPATED Response from the Trumpers;

    “Yeah, but all DoH are managed/administered by Democrats, thus, no wonder”
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's widely known and confirmed by the medical community that the 3rd largest cause of death in the US is Medical mistakes...
    Which they never list, and should tell you that the statistics they publish are not to be taken as legitimate in the first place. Government statistics are even worse than medical ones; they will rell us whatever makes them look like nothing is their fault.

    The lock-downs and many policies of the covid management is directly responsible for a large number of deaths that were not from Covid. The depression resulting from repression of activities and other things for example created a huge number of suicides. Government botched the job. Fauci botched the job. They both openly lied to the public, and the politicians used the pandemic for political gain.
    Everywhere.
     
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    By the way cherry picking one state out of fifty that more or less supports your view is scarcely proof of anything.
     
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    Quote; It is well known and confirmed by the medical community that the 3rd largest cause of death in the U.S. is Medical mistakes.

    Here’s a CNBC article that relates to your claim;

    Headline; The third leading cause of death in the U.S. most doctors don’t want you to know about

    Published February 2018,

    A recent John Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from Medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000

    Now, let’s assume 440,000 people in the U.S. die every year from Medical errors, thus, let’s assume Medical errors is the 3rd largest cause of death in the U.S.

    My question to you; In 2020, what was the 4th largest cause of death?
     
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    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    I’m not cherry picking. The reason why I’ve posted Kristi Noem’s DoH Mortality Statistic is due to fact that a great majority of Trumpers distrust CDC’s statistics.
     
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    Quote; “The depression resulting from repression of activities and other things for example created a HUGE number of suicides”

    Question; Where’s your HUGE official number of 2020 suicides compared to 2019?

    Kristi Noem’s DoH suicide stats;

    2019; 185 suicides
    2020; 185 suicides

    New Jersey

    2019; 762 suicides
    2020; 679 suicides

    Source; New Jersey State Health Assessment Data
     
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  7. spiritgide

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    Of course, you are trying to do a set up here.

    However, let's play your game.... I'd say, government mis-mangement of an epidemic fills is the cause that fills that slot.

    Had they done their job well, Covid might still be on the list, but a lot farther down. Along with flu and all the other natural related versions of this group.

    While everything is arguable- it's obvious that Covid was not a natural creation; that it was leaked from an experimental lab in China, one involved specifically in the process of "Gain of function" research, meaning finding ways to make this virus more contagious and dangerous... and that research being funded by our National Institute of Health.... and that process being supported by our primary medical official- Dr. Fauci.

    So what would be the death rate IF Covid had not been modified into the level it was, IF those things had not taken place in a laboratory we no ability to oversee or regulate, IF those choices had not resulted in a leak of the virus.. Etc, Etc.

    We blame mesothelioma (cancer caused by asbestos exposure) on every manufacturer that had anything to do with asbestos. Right now, they are advertising for people who may have drank water at Camp Lejeune- between 1953 and 1987. Seems water there had some contamination, so the legal pitch is "If you lived at or near Camp Lejeune back then and developed health issues later in life, you may be entitled to compensation". All those people will be old people, naturally they will all have some heath problems, which would be near impossible to connect to cause; equally impossible to prove no connection- but our government has passed a law saying it can be sued for it. That is just the beginning of the next phase of stupidity. So- what about the liability for Covid? The case for finding responsibility for the covid epidemic is vastly more credible than that of Camp Lejeune.

    Shall we just blame the virus, or look to the people who pumped it up and let it loose? Or- is the situation too big to be honest about it?

    If this had all taken place in the USA, if it was done by private companies rather than government- Lawyers would soon be as prolific as ants, working tirelessly to prove liability profit from it, and unlike many class actions, they would have a very strong case. It would be the object of the worlds largest class-action tort litigation by at least 100X the present leader.
    It may still be.
     
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    One can always find data to suit a belief, however it is always based on certain parameters, which allows for a lot of variables. So I'm not going to get into a statistics battle here.
    There were abut46,000 suicides in 2020 in the USA. That's about 7,000 more than died in auto accidents, much more than deaths by murders. Suicides are usually related to depression, the loss of hope. Lockdowns, being unable to participate in activities, go see family, etc- all have a significant impact on depression. Depression also relates to violence; 2020 murders increased abut 30% per FBI,

    You shouldn't need statistics to accept that as fact, it's common sense and if you paid any attention you have probably witnessed it in your own family. Japan reports their suicides rose by 8,000 as a result of covid restrictions, but the report didn't list the base or norm. Without good parameters, it's hard to make realistic comparisons.

    Some people just have to argue, try to defeat everyone else's points. Some kind of pursuit of a feeling of victory or something.
    Now if you can't see the relationship between the covid restrictions and depression, if you can't understand the relationship between depression, behaviors and suicide- then you can't be convinced of anything you don't want to believe.
     
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    Quote; There were about 46,000 suicides in 2020 in the USA

    And for your info, there were about 47,000 suicides in 2019 in the USA, thus, where’s your HUGE INCREASE in suicides mainly due to lockdowns?........in your head?????
     
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    This seems very innocuous and inane. What's your point? That South Dakota had COVID deaths in 2020? That's a big ho hum. I wonder how many of the COVID designated deaths were actually due to something else. You fail against that suggestion but then never mention it again.
     
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    So you think there was no effect. Probably think that about most other things too? Crime didn't increase, inflation lower than Biden claims?
    We've been seeing intense manipulation of data numbers by the government, trying to dodge the bullets and consequences of bad performance.
    The need to control people, deaths from heart disease in people who also tested positive for covid were reported as covid deaths. On the other hand, suicide increases reflect poorly on government and aren't useful. Fact is we don't know how many are legitimately related to covid depression- but unless you are a total fool, you know this is real and you know the number is very significant. Could it be that so many other potential suicidal people changed their minds because they were enjoying seeing others suffer? You buy that, right?

    Unless you can't add or track money, you know that inflation is not the single-digit numbers claimed, it is easily double that. The current administration policy is to adjust the facts to manipulate the perception of the people, and apparently they are very successful in your case.
     
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    For your info, financial stress is also a leading catalyst for suicide, and during the pandemic, those who lost their job were generously compensated.

    Thus, during the pandemic, Uncle Sam’s lavish spending may have reduced the suicide rate.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    Quote; I wonder how many of the COVID designated deaths were actually due to something else?

    For your info, both Covid and Influenza are “underlying cause” of death

    Thus, have you ever wondered how many influenza designated deaths were actually due to other complications, such as pneumonia?
     
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    In addition to the above, viruses do not kill people, however, the internal damage they cause kills people, and that explains why both Covid and Influenza are underlying causes of death.
     
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    Yes, I understand the less than precision and errors with reporting cause of death. However, COVID provided a bit more incentive to code it wrongly since the government through most of 2020 IIRC paid a stipend to hospitals and the like for every COVID death they had.

    However, my point was that your stats made no connection with wrongly or correctly reporting of COVID deaths in S. Dak.
     
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    Have to disagree in the long run, because uncle sam spent our money- and is now tooling up an army of IRS mercenaries and new taxes to get it back. The process is to take from you and give you back a portion of what they took- with conditions. No free money; all of it comes from people like you and I. Just a manipulation. And that will cause stress as well.
     
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    Were there cases that were wrongly diagnosed /ICD coded?

    Of course, however, the number you’re looking for is insignificant.
     
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    How do you know? It wasn't listed in your stats.
     
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    On what basis are you declaring that this number is "insignificant"?
     
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    Deborah Birx stated early on that the Covid numbers would be inflated since the Mortality Rate statistic, dying WITH Covid, was biased toward inflating Covid Mortality relative to dying OF Covid.

    More important than the breakdown of Mortality in a single state that ranks 46th in population density at 11.7 people per square mile is the Biden campaign speech

    Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the coronavirus should disqualify Trump from reelection.

    "Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election.

    https://www.barrons.com/news/biden-...id-deaths-should-not-be-president-01603416304

    According to Johns Hopkins, 1,044,332 Americans have died of Covid. According to leftist Newsweek, 424,401 deaths occurred before January 20, 2021. According to these Democrat facts, Biden presided over the nation as 619,931 Americans died from the coronavirus.

    In the words Biden was given, "Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America". Note that the first vaccine inoculation for Covid under the Trump program was delivered in December 2020, so the Biden deaths occurred with countermeasures available. Trump started with a clean slate.

    Without even mentioning that the virus was the brain child of the Obama-Biden regime that launched its development in 2014, by his own words, Biden should step down. Given that Biden had a hand in every single Covid death, he should be drummed out of office ASAP.
     
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    It is up to you to prove that the number of Medicare beneficiaries who were wrongly diagnosed with Covid is significant.
     
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    I don't have to prove anything. You made the claim.
     

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