Oh, yes you do. You've commented on the Nave Tapes in the past. Then the military owes the world that evidence. Claims that evidence exists is NOT good enough. I'm not challenging their honesty. They may well fully believe what they say. But, claims are not good enough when considering issues of this level of importance. Claims can be wrong for many reasons. I'm fully in favor of demanding that the military show actual alien bodies.
You’re just doing your best to come up with objections and denials I think and the evidence is that you are dismissing testimony under oath. And you offer no explanation, idea, or fantasy as to why TOP MILITARY BRASS would lie under oath saying alien craft and bodies have been studies. We can imagine reasons for lying and saying it was all “weather balloons”, but confirming alien visitations?? Nope.
Don't keep going to the "lying" thing - I don't have reason to believe that anyone is lying, and nothing I've said depends on that. There was testimony under oath concerning the "Navy Tapes", too. That testimony was faithfully given, but it turns out it didn't comport with actual events. The "Navy Tape" weather balloon incident that deceived one pilot was indeed a weather balloon. The pilot told the truth, but there was other info. The clearly seen airplane instruments verified that. You have to accept the truth. So far, there has been a constant stream of claims, but no evidence.
The truth is the facts. The testimony revealed facts. There was no offering of opinion or speculation other than that no craft any earthlings own can do what was observed by trained, seasoned, military observers who only told the facts of what they observed. You say “you have to accept the truth” as you declare there to be no evidence. So to you, radar records, photo records, pilot testimony of facts constitute “claims, but no evidence”. wow Why does this scare you so much?
The fact is the existence of testimony. Whether the testimony matches reality is a separate issue - one worthy of investigation, perhaps. I've addressed this before. The testimony of the pilots exists as fact. But, it turns out that the testimony didn't match reality after investigation. In those "Navy tapes" (following that as an example of my point) there were various types of sensing, including pilot observations. >>I believe this topic is important enough to deserve real scientific investigation. Also, this is an example of how other questions of the unknown must be considered. We need a common understanding of what is evidence and what is NOT evidence. It has similarities to the "correlation vs causation" problem, where correlation is a justification for investigation - not proof of causation. The witnesses you mention state that there is evidence. So, we need the evidence.
I don’t need to deal with this any farther because now there is a 2-hour video of the congressional session that happened today and to which I referred. You may watch the whole thing and see what doubts and questions remain. The first 26 minutes consists of politicians letting us all know they are there. https://www.c-span.org/video/?529499-1/hearing-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-uap
I think it’s clear now that you really don’t want knowledge of this but you want to push an opinion of this. Otherwise you would have devoured that video and been back here to comment.
I just want to see evidence - rather than claims that there is evidence. That was more than 2 hours of video. And, I see nobody who is claiming that it contained more than claims that evidence exists.
When you skip the first 23 minutes of politicians posturing, and the last 15 minutes of politicians summing up, it’s less than 1 1/2 hours. Could you answer Post 583 please? What evidence do you want? What would satisfy you? Would you like to tour a “tic-tac”? Would you need to touch and sniff an alien body to get over your skepticism?
We know that the tic-tac event was NOT extraterrestrial. Let's not get snarky. The military says they have a body/remains? THAT would be strong evidence indeed.
How do you know that? I have no intention of being snarky. I just want to know your requirements. I can dream up an explanation for just about anything anyone could offer as “proof” they are no extraterrestrial too, except for the issue of sudden right-angle turns at mach 2. Then maybe you will need to wait until they decide it’s time to release that evidence to the public. Meanwhile you have sworn testimony by decorated military brass who have said they saw the bodies and they clearly were not human.
As mentioned above, that claim can be verified by a group of analysts chosen from outside the military and proffered by various countries - since this is an internationally important finding, NOT a US Military issue. These are questions such as whether the body has human DNA. This is a planet Earth issue - not a Pentagon internal secret.
But you can’t say how you know the “tic-tac” is not extraterrestrial?? Then you don’t “know” it. Let’s not get snarky. And just in case you’re serious with this last comment, ex-Pentagon leadership has testified that there have been lies that denied UFOs and Aliens.
Mick West points out that “Tic Tac did not show a craft moving like a ping-pong ball, but instead looked more like a distant plane with the apparent movement caused by the camera switching modes and performing gimbal rolls." West acquired access to real gimbal hardware and studied how they work. Is West correct? I think it's clear enough from this and other of his work in debunking ALL the Navy tapes (confirmed by others, too) that these tapes are way too weak. Our imaging in fighters is designed for specific purposes that have to do with the mission and the capabilities of the aircraft. The cameras are on gimbals and have various levels of magnification, width of imaged area, etc. where modes are switched and cameras are rotated automatically, as pilots have a major work load. I'm well aware that there is contention within the military, including on this issue. This is all the more reason to want evidence rather than claims.
“Distant plane”?? You’re referring to one case. In the video you will see a former military pilot with many hours of experience saying that a “tic-tac” went right by him in the air within I think it was something like 500 feet. He saw it clearly and “gimballing” was not indicated. It had no heat signature, no maneuvering surfaces (wings), and stopped mid-air and suddenly sped off at mach speeds with an acceleration that would kill a human if one could do it. He said it was definitely not of this world since no one on earth has this kind of technology that can do these things. Compare that with Mick West’s. Your evidence is what’s weak since it is cherry-picked and insufficient. I saw a distant plane on the horizon with my binoculars while I was at the beach last week. It must have been 10 miles out to be right on the horizon like that. It dipped into the ocean and out again. It did it several times. Then it curved toward me and flew over the area where I could see it was a commuter jet coming in for a landing at the nearby airport. But I didn’t know such craft were capable of dipping into the ocean and out again so many times or even once. Do you believe now that aviation is hiding something from us? Or did you know such a plane could do that? Your stories are very weak and full of gaps and holes. Why have you not watched the 90 minutes of testimony in the video yet?
LOL - so UFOs are now called "tic tacs"!! That's good - it makes it impossible to even discuss!! Visual sightings are not evidence. There are PLENTY of visual phenomena that confound what humans believe they saw. And, that is especially true when viewing distant objects near a reflective surface such as the ocean. Here's another "tic tac".
I think WillReadmore was suggesting is people do not always interpret data correctly. I remember fishing at night and saw the wake from a beaver. Then it smacked its tail. I thought I saw the lake monster.
Surely asking for evidence is a reasonable request - especially now that military brass claim there does exist evidence.
crazy the admission by the government that biological alien entities have been found at crash sites isn't more of a bigger deal
Military representatives (in uniform with plenty of medals on their chests) made that claim in the recent congressional hearing on the topic of alien life forms and their exploration of Earth. In my view, the whole process here is totally screwed up. The military claimed to HAVE evidence, but didn't have more than such claims. The military as rejected the debunking of the "navy tapes" by saying that they have versions that show the "truth"!! The congressional hearing was like the "60 Minutes" program in that there was no representation by anyone other than those in the military who believe in ETs. No independent scientists have view this military evidence, nor have scientists shown an interest in what has been found. The military is NEVER going to provide what they have, as it is a demonstration of our detection capabilities - or lack thereof. >>> But, congress CAN demand the body! There should be an international group of world respected experts in the related biology fields who get full access.
