Speaking the TRUTH gets you labeled a "racist".

Wrong, I know dozens of good hard working Aboriginal Families.

 

Very well said, but pride in oneself is not stupid, we keep our house clean, our children clean, well cared for and educated. We dress well, we have good respectable jobs (or are retired - covering my own Rs) and take pride in our appearance, our jobs, our families and our home.

We are proud of our country and our sportsmen and our servicemen.

Every one should have pride, it is where it is directed that is wrong. See my signature, I have pride.

It is when people say and act superior because purely they are white.
It really makes me wonder why they persist with such silly arguments.

 

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In your opinion.... In my opinion you show no pride at all. You seem to subscribe to the white guilt theory...

Theres the problem right there...you dont think the ABOriginals are responsible for their OWN ACTIONS. Just because YOU subscribe to the white guilt theory dont go trying it on me..I as a PROUD WHITE AUSSIE have nothing to feel guilty about when it comes to the ABOriginal population.

Please enlighten us to your great theory of how to deal with issues the ABOriginal population face. Please show us HOW to stop ABOriginals from getting pissed beating and raping each other, Getting them into work, stopping the welfare dependency cycle and the crime.

 

Enlighten me on this theory so I will know.

OK Last time I say it, they are responsible for their own actions, cool we agree, never disagreed

I do not have the answer, I wish I did. I say this but, I am working on it, not vilifying them to make it worse.

 

Pride in what you do and what you have accomplished (within reason) I agree is positive, not negative.

Pride helps drive us to achieve, accomplish and live our lives in accordance with a higher purpose or set of values.

 

Absolutely, now then, let's focus on the problem.

MISDIRECTED PRIDE White or Black supremacy.

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Absolute RIGHT to Absolute FREE SPEECH

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the RIGHT to have peace love and harmony in our lives and the RIGHT to safety and peace.

 

Any sort of racial pride is misdirected, national pride yes, racial pride no. Anybody who is proud of their 'race' hasn't thought it through.
Freedom of speech yes, everything goes except threats of violence.
We have no 'right' to love and harmony. It is something we create ourselves as individuals and as communities.
We do have a right to safety from the (physical) actions of others which is peace anyway.

 

all true, and isn't this what we are trying to do, create communities that allow us to live, love, work and play in peace and harmony, without prejudice?

Doctors need nurses and we need street cleaners, we are all part of the community. Our countries are, or should be, a collection of communities acting together for the betterment of ALL.

If a good friend turned up at your door wearing an outfit that wasn't to your taste, say a young fellow who is dressed as a rapper. You hate rappers, but like your fiend. He is dressing for himself, and to be a part of his community.

Would you say, "Mate your dressed like a moron" and slam the door on him.

Free speech is a right yes, but there is a word that I love, well four words...
1 Respect
2 Reasonable
3 Tact
4 Compassion
Free speech is not taken away by using those four things, it's just more civilised.

Thank you

 

I'm with you up to a RIGHT to have peace, harmony and safety.
Unfortunately, living is an enterprise filled with risk.

We have the RIGHT to live it and pursue happiness which for me would inlcude peace, harmony and safety,
but their is no guarantee those things will be availalbe.

Anyone who says differently is selling something . . . (or naive)

 

OK well I think we do agree, I mean I have the right to walk down the street, without being accosted, physically or verbally. I have the right to love who I choose without vilification.

Our fathers, grandfathers etc fought for those rights, to give us a peace where we should not have to worry about them.. We employ police to ensure these rights are retained and that those that interfere will be dealt with.

I am not so dim witted to say we are guaranteed but I have evry right to expect it.

and YES I think we have a right to be happy, as long as that happiness does not infringe others right to be happy etc.

 

Happiness is a state of mind, not a right.
Other than I feel you throw the term "right" around rather carelessly,
I don't think we disagree on this issue in a substantial manner.

 

No one knows this more then I, I lost my first wife to cancer when she was 36, life is a risk, so is happiness, but I still have found happiness, we do need to be flexible and take what comes.

 

I would tell him I thought he was dressed like a moron all right but I wouldn't slam the door.

If I want to be, or I am disrespectfull, unreasonable, tactless and without compassion and it upsets you, that's your problem. I should have the freedom to be that way.
Making laws won't change the way a person is, or the way a person thinks. Only education and example will to that.

 

Well do it when I am in the wrong mood and it may be your problem

 

Oh and be disrespectful to my woman and I will be in a bad mood..............

 

Freedom is a very subjective thing - you do have certain "freedoms" under our laws (remembering we have no "bill of rights") but these are always mitigated by societal expectation. You can see that clearly in the posts among the American right who virtually howl down those they do not agree with and if you want to test that start a thread challenging any of their closely held loves e.g guns - one cannot be a politician in America and even MENTION gun laws...................

 

Same can be said of those on the left..start a thread against any of their belifs and they scream blue murder...this thread and many others are a good case in point.

 

Actually I think you are missing the point - it is about respect. When you refer to people by derogatory name then that is racist no matter what you then say. If you were to refer to me as "dumb blonde (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)" I would take offence even if the next words were "smartest woman in the world"

There is a societal expectation that we should show each other respect just as there is a societal expectation that in this country at least we do not spit on the floor and we bathe regularly. It has nothing to do with freedoms and everything to do with the mores (look up that word) and norms of the society you live in

 

I wont deal with your disrespectful remark nor the hypocrisy of it in the context of your post...

 

"Abbos" or "Abos" is considered a racial slur these days.

"Blacks", "Aborigines", or "Blackfellas" are acceptable.

 

Yep, that's widely understood and accepted among the community. Just common decency.

However, there are people who argue that it is not a slur purely on the basis that it's a shortened version of Aboriginal. I kid you not: these people actually believe that abbreviations can't be offensive

 

Aboriginal youth?

Some Aboriginal communities?

There are many problems in some places.
There are no easy answers...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/destroyed-in-alice/story-fn59niix-1226008040782

Destroyed in Alice

IT'S 10pm, the witching hour in the heart of Alice Springs, the time when trouble really starts. KFC has closed its doors, the lights from the 24-hour shop over the crossroads gleam, the cars cruise by with menace, the crowds of bush Aboriginal boys and girls, teenagers and younger, grow thick.

Here's the action, at the streetlights where Stott and Todd meet: the pick-up point for grog, ganja, adventure, sex and any combination of all these.

You can see boys and girls as young as 10 years old marauding about at midnight, with their slightly older brothers and sisters, who are walking at speed, drinking from their hidden alcohol containers: you see cars laden with illegal grog stopping to pick up teenage girls and whisk them off; here's the madam, with her girls for sale, and that's one of the African gang cars, driving by and checking out the talent, and choosing the girls they like.


Meanwhile, Alice Springs lives by the minute, hardly daring to breathe.

The operators in the town's $400m tourism and hotel industry are trembling. They know very well that they're one bad incident away from the curtain.

They can feel it close at hand. It very nearly came this week, when a group of four tourists were set upon by a large gang of Aboriginal assailants.

All four were pummelled with stones: the chief victim, a 23-year-old German woman, was stabbed in the armpit with a 10cm knife. A little lower, and it would have been pan-European headlines.


etc

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All revealed in this detailed article, what's going on in some places.

Cape York Qld community, a dry community, Noel Pearson its leader...'no' problems there.

 

Unfortunately stories like "community signs pledge" or "community cleans up it's act" because they are not stories that sell newspapers

 

I think "Blackfella's" is as derogatory as "Abo's", don't know where you get the idea that it's "acceptable". In fact I think it's worse, not even culturally specific but based solely on the colour of skin.

But anyway the words aren't really that important, it's how and by whom they are used.