Stalin’s popularity in Russia triples since 1990

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  1. Mandelus

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    Especially in the early days from the beginning of the attack on 22.06.1941 to his first radio speech on 03.07.1941 Srtalin is strongly criticized.
    Basically, there are 2 different versions for this period, but neither of them shed light on Stalin. Version 1 is quasi the one of Khrushchev supported by Baija and Molotov, version 2 is of Shukov and Chuikov. Version 1 says Stalin would have fallen into depression and be afraid to be disempowered. Version 2 describes how Stalin interfered incalculably and diletanically in matters and caused more chaos, which hindered everything, since he also repeatedly in the most unfavorable moments on his Datscha drove when he needed something urgent.

    But even before the attack came, there were so many signs about that the Germans will attack, but Stalin ignored them not only, long time he prevented any counter measures of the Red Army too. There was for example the case of an Air Force commander who put his complete Air Base under war status after a false report of German planes attacking still and who was dismissed by Stalin for this.

    Reasons of this acting by Stalin are not really known, but historians in general give 2 possible main reasons… a) that he won’t provoke Germany or b) that he didn’t want to believe that the Germans will attack. Bot is possible for me, for example flew German Air Reconnaissance planes very high and deep into USSR since April 1941. They were detected, but the I-16 planes were not able to fly so high. The USSR protests against this by Molotov followed anything, but not directly towards Germany… why?

    Of course was the ethnic background of the Ukrainians (as well the Baltics too) a main point if they welcomed the Germans or not. But why for example did the Wlassow Army exist at least and later which contents even Russians and not only other ethnics?


    That they were in this huge numbers destroyed is not because they were crap, it was because they were badly leaded and handled in battle…. Or in other words, The German Forces used their equipment much better and were here tactically far superior in the beginning. Look on these famous pocket battles which costs the Red Army not only much equipment, but millions of soldiers too.
    And that the Red Army Air Force was no match in the beginning … as told above with the example: if you are not on any alert status, it is hard to defend against. So all the I-16 and whatever else planes of them were all on the ground and it was for the German Air Force a Turkey shooting … same way as for the Japanese in Pearl Harbor at least. And even those who could take off had to fight mostly in a ratio 1 vs 5 …

    Sure, in matter of planes the Red Army was not so well equipped in June 1941 as Germany, but no helpless victim only.
     
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    And it's fine .... But I think that Stalin's fans in reality are more than 24%. People see the advantages of socialism. Therefore, the supporters of Stalin every year will be more and more .... I think that in a few years the Baltic countries were again to come out to rallies demanding to join part Russia.

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    I wonder why you do not show pictures from, for example, "star wars"? You can say that Dark Vader is Stalin. Or Putin. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
    I think you will find oligophrenic who believe you and your drawings.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
  4. Ninian

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    Woah, since when Stalin is a socialist?
     
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    Moscow, M-station Sokolniki , SO SO SICK, Muscovites have 0 respect to themselves..

    A prisoner who went on hunger strike is being forcefully fed through his nostril. According to laws of Soviet humanism, only those who had normal body temperature (36.6…37 C) could be shot.
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    “I am… English, French, American, Japanese, Italian, German and other spy…”

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    “After we’ll **** this scoundrel’s ass through, he’ll be quick to remember how to make sabotage against Soviet regime and party in university with his cybernetics!”

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    It's an annyversary of Metropoliten launch in 1935, a historical reconstruction that allows people to feel closer to history, **** off.

    http://360tv.ru/news/portrety-stalina-i-kaganovicha-poyavilis-v-moskovskom-metro-110532/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro
    This is my country's history, and we will show it off in any way we want. If you get triggers from Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin's portraits - try spending less time SURFING RUSSIAN PAGES ON THE INTERNET to present them in a twisted form to people abroad.
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    Also good morning, and have a big, thick, metro-proletarian "hello" from the past!
     
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    "It's an annyversary of Metropoliten launch in 1935, a historical reconstruction that allows people to feel closer to history, **** off." do you see something similar in Germany?
    " Anhalter Bahnhof "

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    It's germans' problem if they are ashamed of GOOD parts of their history just because they happened in certain period. We - are not. Nobody cepebrates repressions, losses and misery - but ACHIEVEMENTS, reached through blood, sweat and tears of people - are to be celebrated and remembered. They deserve it.
     
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    "It's germans' problem if they are ashamed of GOOD parts of their history " LOL))) i just wait what others here are gonna say about your "rjusski m0r" values
     
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    Same. All russians are proud of metropoliten, and - do not require to associate ourselves with something foreign due to lack of national achievements, unlike some zealous yet miserable xenopatriots. Touché.
     
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    So All Muscovite are in love with the biggest mass-killers in human history, koba-sralin?
     
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    Metropoliten =/= Stalin. It was OPENED during period when Stalin was head of state, so in reconstruction station is made to look relatively the way it looked 15 of May in 1935.
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    We will be always proud of accomplishments of our ancestors, as well as cherish memory of past - that will continue being with us, in films and photographies, songs and books, and that we, on rare occasions, can almost touch in such historical reconstructions.
     
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    Litwin, we have the best metropoliten in the world in Russia. Nice stations, frequent trains.
    Not like stations in your beloved America, New York:
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    Oh, that's low blow. It's legendary how bad subway in NY is. Too easy.

    Let's compare it to, at least, Washington subway, that is.. ...erm.. ...seems to be in bad shape too..?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...f-the-best-underground-networks-a6984196.html

    My sincere condolences to citizens of Washnigton DC, if things are so dire.

    Over eight decades in use - and we're still ones of the best, yep~ =ω=
     
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    Have not been to Washington DC metro, but also does not look very appealing. I like actually S-bahn and U-bahn in Berlin, very stylish station, with some flavour of old times U_Bahn.jpg
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