Star Trek: the Borg

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what do the Borg symbolize?

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  1. My Fing ID

    My Fing ID Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I always thought that was one of the dumbest things they did in Star Trek. It's a sci-fi show. If I wanted to see a playboy model I'd just look her up on the internet! That said Hoshi was (*)(*)(*)(*)'n hot.

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    Only problem is they grow drones in vats. Still though if the vats "accidentally" break down and you need more drones...
     
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    Tram Law Banned

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    I believe they ared a general allegory to many different beliefs systems who do not value liberty and individualism, and seek to stamp out freedom and Liberty altogether, and force people to be all the same.

    I am a big Star Trek fan myself, and I've come to realize something of the Borg.

    They are a huige contradiction.

    They seek diversity and claims it adds to their perfection.

    However, the contradiction to that is the completely submerge a sentient being's personality and cultureal influences in them, making them all the same except for physical appeareance.

    So that to me is a huge contradiction.
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    That's not a contradiction at all. That's exactly how the word "diversity" is used on any US college campus.
     
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    Tram Law Banned

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    Well, not any US college campus, just ones dominated by certain groups who shall remain nameless.
     
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    The Borg to me represent greed.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, not really. As has been mentioned there IS no logical result of the Singularity. That being said, the Borg are not logical. The trend is that being more interconnected will empower people as information is power.
     
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    The Borg represent a rush to conformity.
    Fitting in, getting along, and overall sheep-like behavior.
    At some point, there become strength in numbers, and absurd concepts become doctrine, and doctrine becomes conquest.
    Pretty soon everything is jacked up, and a bunch of drones are in charge.

    Sort of like Washington DC right now.
     
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    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are examples where money is used or referenced http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Money
     
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    Every action series needs a villain and this time it is the Borg !!
     
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    The Borg are the collective, and it is not a bad thing to be Borg because they are the most powerful alien species in the universe. The Borg have the strongest military force in space, the final frontier, and even the crew upon the Star ship enterprise cannot defeat them.

    They are also socialist liberals symbolically.
     
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    Yeah but I don't think the Borg can assimilate the founders and assimilating the Jem Hadar would also be a fruitless pursuit.
     
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    Consider the origin of the Borg.
    That crippled space probe, remember?

    [video=youtube;anMOQ3vTy9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anMOQ3vTy9k[/video]

    The Borg are technology run amok.

    Never forget -

    [video=youtube;AyenRCJ_4Ww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww[/video]​


    Moi :oldman:
    Borg Master :blankstare:




    No :flagcanada:
    Nothing to assimilate.
     
  13. Lil Mike

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    Just one problem with your origin of the Borg story.

    V'gr returned to Earth in 2273 AD, but the Borg ship found on Earth in the Arctic was found in 2153 AD.
     
  14. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Explain, why is that a problem.
    Did proto Borg disassemble V'gr, permanently ?
    I admit I may be missing something.

    I always liked that the Queen was a biologicalized machine.



    Moi :oldman:
    V'gr did get around :wink:





    No :flagcanada:
     
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    V'gr didn't come back all borged up. The Borg have to be an entity separate from the cybernetic creatures that repaired V'gr.
     
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    V'gr did come back hybridized with another mechanical intelligence.
    Why would they need to be all borged up ?
    V'gr sets up the borging processors and goes on its' way to Earth to fulfill its' mission.


    Moi :oldman:
    Yes, I still may be missing something.



    No :flagcanada:
     
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    LOL.... You are correct, they are not logical at all.

    Where is their nano tech? If they have had a collective mind for such a long time why is their technology so primitive?

    As far as being empowered I think there is a counter argument. Everyone who stopped being Borg has a long period of adjustment. All of them want to go back until federation psychologist (among whom I am sure there are mind readers and empaths) "deprogram" them.

    Could it be that they want to go back to the Borg is because they felt more empowered in the collective? Does the federation in fact brainwash them into thinking they are better off outside the collective?
     
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    actually not Cybermen, but the Daleks ( We are the master race,
    Resistance is futile )
     
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    radical Islam.
     
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    I was thinking visually as much as conceptually. Some of the Borg sets looked like almost direct copies of Cyberman sets from 70s/80s Doctor Who with a splash of black paint. :)
     
  21. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Yes and no. It could be argued that the Enterprise II did brainwash Hugh, and even that they brainwashed the Captain. OTOH it seems that Picard brainwashed the Borg, to some extent.

    Janeway didn't brainwash Seven, but adopted her. She became an individual on her own and remained so as time went on, but she was also still very much a Borg, though her loyalties shifted.

    Incidentally, I've always thought they could have used Seven's reuniting with her parents as a way to end the series on a high note, using their rescue and reintegration into humanity as a catalyst to Voyager's return and maybe even an end to the Borg menace. OTOH maybe they wanted to keep the Borg as villains and I do think it was a mistake for them not to go into the future again.
     
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    Both Borg and the Cybermen are foreboding of a future where we strive for perfection/immortality to the point we start augmenting or replacing our bodies with machinery.
     

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