Success in England!

I don’t know about “scoring”. I just know we never had stay at home orders, most businesses stayed open, masking isn’t particularly common and not mandated on any large scale. Yet over the same period as the celebrated fall in UK infection rate we’ve experienced an almost identical fall in infections rate. Odd, huh? It’s almost like there’s more to the story than just authoritarian measures.

Oh, our unemployment rate is lowest in the US as well. It’s 1.8% lower than the UK’s rate and ours is falling as theirs is rising.

Our deaths per million, 617, theirs, 1274.

 

I can see that you're young, but I see no cynicism. All I see is naivety and vanity.

Obama was a useful idiot of White Supremacists. If you were genuinely invested in ridding the world of that particular menace, you would know where they actually hide. It's clear they've convinced you (and millions of others - so eager to be white saviours, that they'll immediately latch on unquestioningly to anything which plays to their vision of themselves) that the 20thC trope of the uneducated redneck still stands. That's exactly how they get away with it.

 

The obvious question .. why didn't he just wear a damned mask?

 

You keep saying things without providing any evidence. Can you go ahead and provide us with information that support your claims? A simple google searching reveals that Nebraska has only increased in covid rates.

Nebraska Coronavirus: 138,568 Cases and 1,194 Deaths (COVID-19 ) - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

Some other state facts that are irrelevant and deflect from the conversation.

1. Nebraska was once called “The Great American Desert”.
2. In 1927, Edwin E. Perkins of Hastings invented the powered soft drink Kool-Aid.
3. The state nickname used to be the “Tree Planter’s State”, but was changed in 1945 to the “Cornhusker State”.
4. State insect is the honeybee.
5. State motto: Equality before the law.

You're comparing a sparsely populated mostly rural state with a country. The US is not far behind UK and with our current trajectory we should pass it soon.


Coronavirus Update (Live): 67,390,095 Cases and 1,541,678 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer (worldometers.info)


See what it posting evidence on what you're saying looks like? Try if for a change.

 

Your post makes absolutely no sense. There is no fear for Covid in battle because that is not our war. That might be your personal fear because you seem to fear a lot of things, but our focus is on the enemies we are in military engagements with.

If you don't understand how military operations work, which it's 100 percent clear you don't, then you don't understand a mission objective.

I hope one day Stolen Valor has more severe penalties. I am not accusing you directly, but there are people that pretend.

 

Reducing risk vs. mission objective are a big part. Communication is too. Ever tried to reach your com's with a mask on with a simulated battlefield before a delployment? Do you know how loud it actually is in a combat zone? And you would make your soldier wear a mask to muffle their voice even more with the combat sounds in the background???

Haha, we both know the answer is "no".

You would be setting your soldiers up for failure.

 

The military doesn't really have a true "law" that goes with the UCMJ because there are many factors that go against the UCMJ. The mask CAN be a part of the uniform, but the mask CANNOT get in the way of you performing your duties. Especially in communication.

 

When you're off duty you are not in a battlefield, you're probably in a bar or some other similar situation. So explain why not wearing a mask in a bar makes you so brave?

 

Depends...billions of dollars goes towards cancer treatment on patients and further research how to deal with it better. You also call that mass hysteria and not needed?

Neah... you're just dancing on the graves by downplaying it all as if it's nothing to worry about.
And than you add that you basically claim to know it better than Fauci as if you're the expect and not him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Also.. this is about the UK. They got their own experts.
Going to have a very wild guess that they agree with Fauci.
What a coincidence... lol

 

You aint in a battlefield. It's far more like you're in operating theater where wearing masks is the way to go. Doctors and nurses got zero problems communicating with masks while on their mission objective.

 

You have just posted a representation of cumulative cases. That does not denote in any way the falling case rate my post mentioned. A graphical representation of cumulative cases will never have a downward slope. It can be flat but never be downward sloping. LOL. In your last post you you actually documented my point when you claimed cases had been rising since October. That graph you posted clearly shows the decrease in cases over the two week period I mentioned. Had you read the entirety of my commentary in this thread you would know my calculations were based on the best available seven day moving average data of confirmed cases at the time of my post. At that time the best current estimate 7 day average showed an approximate 30% decline. Here is the math from current updated 7 day average. Worldometer data as before which I stated previously in this thread. 2391(7 day moving average high)-1757 (7 day moving average Nov. 30 updated)=634. 634/2390=0.2651*100=26.5%. The discrepancy is the difference between best guess of 7 day average on Nov 3 vs. it’s verifiable quantity today.

Thanks for sharing. None of what I posted is irrelevant to the point of my posts in this thread. My point is UK lockdown can not be credited with 30% decrease in infections because other places without lockdowns show the same decrease. Nebraska is not the only place showing this. We should not base authoritarian policy on correlation without being able to prove some level of causation. That is my point. Everything I’ve included in my posts is relevant to that point—especially unemployment and deaths per million data. It is not just relevant, it’s essential to forming policy on lockdowns.

If you paid attention to detail you would know rural counties in Nebraska actually have higher infection rates than the most populated areas. Again, there are a number of reasons for this but your assumption are incorrect on rural vs. urban.

I already stated where my data came from in this thread. Anyone can go to Worldometer and see it. You did not document the source of your claim our state insect is the honeybee. You posted cumulative data and tried to pass it off as a representation of rising infection rates. All you have to do is ask for documentation and I’ll provide it. I think that’s better policy than posting completely inaccurate data as you did with cumulative case data. Your posting of “evidence” makes you look silly because it’s the wrong evidence.

 

I couldn't help but laugh at this. You're comparing mission operatives (operators) and infantrymen operating in the field to doctors and nurses under the SAFETY of the wire? You realize we don't leave the wire with nurses and doctors, right? We have FIELD (68 whiskeys) medics. There's a MAJOR difference. Oh and by the way, they aren't wearing masks per the .901 communications guideline in the order for mission communication. Depends on the exercise and depends on the deployment.

What does your unit do for field ops right now?

 

You're comparing life of the common person now with infantrymen operating in the field.
I am comparing life of the common person now with doctors and nurses in an operating theater.

People working in an operating theater, wear masks by default, and got zero problems communicating.
My comparison is far more close to how life is now. There aint bombs flying all over the place etc.
Your comparison is therefor irrelevant to this entire discussion and derailing the topic.

 

Um, the masks operators wear, specifically designed for comms have holes in them. How are you comparing those to medical masks? lol they have nose holes and mouth holes. Some without mouth holes but standard breathing holes. Also, camo ATR masks for recon teams are littered with small holes to prevent massive sweating.

What does your unit do, exactly?

 

What on earth are you talking about? Holes in masks by operators?
As far as a I know they got some kind of bulge and not a hole,.. to filter the air through.

We're not at war with an army. No army is shooting at us, we're not shooting at an other army. Your whole army comparison is irrelevant. You know astronauts have headgear as well that is also not relevant to the discussion?

 

Number of reasons holes are in there. Some require the wire that connects to the mic to go through the mask. Sweating is a MAJOR factor. Also, for many, controlling your breathing is very important for trigger discipline.

I'm confused by your answers. It sounds like you have know knowledge of the military. What exactly do you do?

 

I'm confuse with your answers. We're not at war, yet you keep posting how awesome the masks are in the military and how the comms work when wearing masks.... while the situation we're in is how people work in an operation theater. We're they just talk with their masks on, no problem. No special holes there. No gun fire there. No bombs dropping there. That's how average Joe the Plumber lives his life in public these days. He aint in a war zone.

 

He's in the Army, you're not.

He describes the current situation for active duty personnel. You describe some sort of hypothetical fantasy.

 

I describe the situation for how it is for the general public and masks before being vaccinated.
And he's all over the place about the army.

The topic is about the general public getting vaccinated.

 

Which has nothing to do with he and his friends being brave going to a bar without a mask on while only "snowflakes" wear masks

 

It seems that only about half the general public is contemplating taking the vaccine. I will not take the vaccine because my immune system is fairly robust.

 

That will change.

 

And you had your immune system checked out by a doctor, or are you preforming quack research on yourself?

 

Perhaps you do not, but I know my own body better than any doctor.

 

That's not "really" scientific. Good to know you don't value science and go with a gut feeling without any form of education on the matter.