Supreme Court vacates ruling upholding California's large-capacity gun magazine ban

source: Supreme Court vacates ruling upholding California's large-capacity gun magazine ban - The San Diego Union-Tribune (sandiegouniontribune.com)

I think we're about to enter a golden age of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Standard capacity magazines and modern sporting rifles for EVERYONE (who can lawfully possess them)!

Really, given Bruen, pretty much the entirety of the modern gun control scheme is open to attack.

God bless Justice Clarence Thomas!

 

To the folks who do a lot of shooting, how long does it take to change magazines? Fast enough to make the large capacity ban useless?

 

Yes, it was always a useless ban. 1-2 seconds for a practiced shooter. For a real world example, in the Virginia Tech shooting (the worst school shooting in US history) he used mostly a Walther P22 and 10-round magazines. The report said they found something like 14 empty magazines (that number is from memory, may not be precisely accurate, but it's at least in the ballpark), so he was able to do it something like 14 times without anyone stopping him.

ETA:
Here's a mediocre example

 

I mean, if you wait over an hour before going into the school that's plenty of time for the perp to reload as many times as he wants.

 

You have motor control; your ability to bring the firearm in after a shot, position to eject a spent mag, act on the release, position to accept a fresh mag, index your fresh mag, locate it, proceed with action. And you have rigging; the accessibility of fresh mags, the configuration of your firearm such as a speed loading mag well, and the action state the firearm is in as you're changing mags. And this isn't the complete list of factors to consider either but all of them are adding time to the reloading process that shooters of one kind or another work to control and minimize.

There is a semblance of logic in justifying a magazine cap limit with the argument that reloading take time and that's why they use it; it sounds logical that shooters would have to slow down. But its just not a good enough argument overall because even though I'm not a competitive shooter, nor am I Billy 'Watch Me Magdump' Badass, I can still cycle mags 3-4 seconds with controlled motion at the line.

 

Lefties: bUt WhY DoEs AnYoNe NeEd MoRe ThAn 6 BuLlEtS?

A: Check out this body cam footage

3 - 15 round clips, each of a different officer involved. Austin Texas. The officer in the second clip dumps all 15 rounds into/at the suspect and then stands there covering him with his slide locked back for about 10 seconds (props for a quick mag change when the suspect got up and he needed to shoot him some more, but he should have reloaded much sooner).

https://ace.mu.nu/

 

Correct. Probably about 2-3 seconds? Keep in mind that when the liberals say “high capacity” magazines, they are talking about standard capacity magazines. Standard capacity magazines = 30 rounders. Technically, high-cap magazines = 40 rounders, drums, etc. Of course the liberals know nothing about guns so they just throw incorrect terms around.
Back to your point though, yes, it’s fast. Even if a mass-shooter was equipped with nothing but 10-round mags, they aren’t going to have any issues throwing lead around. They would simply reload more often, losing 2-3 seconds here and there. Solves absolutely nothing banning these magazines.

 

Let's see.
Release empty magazine 3 seconds, two with practice.
Find new magazine in bag. 3 seconds (or more if you're nervous like mass shooters tend to be) 2 seconds with practice.
Insert new magazine and chamber a round. At least 2 seconds, more for the nervous.

Time for victims to flee or attack. At least 6 seconds, likely more. An eternity compared to the alternative of an entire classroom shot up by a 30 round magazine.

 

Your guess is flat-out wrong. You know there's actual video footage of people doing magazine changes in WAY less than 6 seconds, right?

 

The supreme Court has been doing a lot of ruling lately like they actually believe in the Constitution and liberals absolutely hate it.

What's that they say at McDonald's? I'm loving it!!!

 

You do realize he already has the 2nd magazine in his hand? In the real world, find and activate ejection button. Eject empty magazine. Get new magazine from pouch or worse yet, pocket. Put new magazine in rifle. Load first round. Ready to go. At least 6 seconds.

 

Can you find a real world example where your hypothesis has saved lives in a mass shooting?

Has someone already pointed out to you the Virginia tech shooter had no problem at all reloading magazines multiple multiple times.

 

WTF are you talking about? No he doesn't. The second magazine is in a holster on his left hip.

No shooter with even modest experience has to "find" the ejection button, and your "at least 6 seconds" is confirmed bullsh*t. Again, there's actual video evidence of people doing mag changes in less than 2 seconds.

 

A handful of seconds. Banning magazines is emotional. It has nothing to do with reducing crime.

 

The 2A doesn't protect the right to carry arms for sporting purposes, it is for personal protection.

 

The golden age of reason and justice. So glad Trump delivered us 3 whole scoops! Solidified our rights for our lifetime. The left will struggle to undue that in a way that lasts.

 

Trump has had an extraordinarily successful second term, and he wasn't even in office. He continues to amaze! Guns, EPA and Roe? The mind boggles.

 

I don't know if this was just a weird coincidence or you're actually well-versed in obscure firearm regulations, but there's actually a little-known import rule for firearms and ammunition called the "sporting purposes" test. Basically, if a gun isn't suitable / adaptable for "sporting purposes", the ATF won't let you import it.

 

The funny part is how hard it is to load a thirty round mag without a press. Most of these guys are gonna do it once, then never again. The exception to that is the whack-jobs who want to shoot 30 people at once.

 

That only applies to firearms meant for mass market retail.

 

Of course you're talking about imports. How does that apply to the 2A? America manufacturers guns so that wouldn't apply.

 

Huh? It's not "hard" at all.

 

Well, it probably doesn't apply at all anymore. The next time the ATF tries to ban an import for failing their "sporting purposes" bullsh*t, I expect the ATF will be sued and lose in court, given Bruen. Banning the import of firearms suitable for self-defense wasn't part of the Founding-era history and tradition.

Yes, America manufactures guns, but so do lots of other places, and artificially restricting firearm and ammunition options to only those manufactured in America, or suitable for "sporting purposes", burdens the core right of the people to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

 

Depends on the magazine and ammo. Some i have no trouble with.... others ive cut myself lol. Metal ak mags give me issues and glock mags do too. Ar15 mags i can load 30 no problem.

 

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