Take a look at the record-breaking port congestion from 10,000 feet above...

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I just said, they're automated. Containers are filled by machinery at the point of manufacture and then sent by trucks and ships to be unloaded only at the point of sale.
     
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    Gas prices keep going up groceries are getting outrageous but thank God there's no more mean tweets...

    It's things like that that truly matter
     
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    So ports are unmanned these days? You seriously think they operate themselves?

    PS: Filling containers has absolutely nothing to do with stevedoring. Stevedoring is the handling of bulk cargo (containers etc) in ports.
     
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    So... ONLY supply chains is your claim. Uh huh.

    I can show you domestic products and industries where prices are up. How could that be?

    Couldn't be monetary driven inflation? No no no. Because that would come down to criticizing Bidens constant desire to print and hand out cash.

    So, instead, we get posts like this.
     
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    It’s hard to believe people can think flooding the economy with billions, even trillions, of dollars of money created out of thin air won’t cause inflation.
     
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    Bulk cargos are things like grain right? I thought these were loaded/unloaded by machine.

    What are typical cargos handled by stevedores, to your knowledge?
     
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    M110A2 (8") varied, based upon what yield you desired. There were four different yields ranging from 2.5 kt to 15 kt. 15 kt is abut the size of Hiroshima. M109 (155mm) had one yield of 1.25 kt as I remember.
     
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    Absolutely. Dems want to raise the debt limit. In the lib school of economics, fiscal stability and prosperity can be achieved by owing more and more money to more and more people.
     
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    What about roads, bridges, water (some pipes in New York City are so old they are actually still made of wood), sewage (some sewer drains in southern California are so old they actually empty into public beach areas where people swim), transportation upgrades (last time I looked Dulles airport was still using the embarrassing cattle-car "people movers")... there's a lot more than internet involved... a LOT more.

    Interesting anecdote: In southern California where the weather is almost always beautiful, the smallest imperfection can lead the local population to panic over roads that are "falling apart". In Pittsburgh where winter precipitation fills cracks, freezes and grows them into holes that get bigger and bigger, Such holes can break an axle and are generally ignored. When you can lose a Volkswagen in such a hole, local authorities will put up a sign that reads "bump" rather than fix it.
     
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    When they've finished picking your cotton, working in your factories and scrubbing your floors.
     
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    I hope you mean Mexican, Columbian, and Haitian cotton, factories, and floors.
     
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    [​IMG] Here's a pic of contemporary Stevedores protesting some kind of wage issues. Maybe they're robots? If so, the cyborg industry has really gone places with the roughneck realism!
     
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    And yet people leave cities for the country life EVERY DAY, in their thousands. Each individual will choose to do that in a place that works with their expectations, obviously. If they prefer nice roads and bridges, then that's what they'll look for. Plenty of people are okay without those things, and will still decentralise regardless of the rough roads.

    Once again, these things are personal. We all make our choices, according to our circumstances and preferences.There are PLENTY of locations with good services outside of big cities.
     
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    Stevedoring – An Essential Component of Maritime Trade

    By Baibhav Mishra
    January 10, 2018

    Stevedoring is an occupation which involves loading and unloading of cargo on ships. It also includes various other dockside functions. The people engaged in this occupation are known as ‘stevedores’ (in the UK and Europe). However, in the United States and other areas they are addressed as longshoremen.

    Stevedores need heavy machinery, such as tractors, trailers, cranes and forklifts. Work pertaining to documentation and maintenance of records is done manually (where machinery is not required e.g. labour or clerical work). The businesses which specialise in loading and unloading vessels are referred to as ‘stevedoring companies’.
     
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    I was mistaken. Sorry. It remains a fact that most waterborne shipping of individual items nowadays is done in containers and it is the containers that are loaded and loaded and this seldom involves more than a very few people nor takes more than a few hours
     
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    And those people are known as stevedores. Also, there aren't 'a very few' of them at your average busy port .. there are many.
     
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    In the whole port yes, but it doesn't take but a few to load or unload a container. You have the crane operator and the truck driver with one or two observers for safety, I can't see why you need more than that. In the days before containers crews of 50 or more were not uncommon, isn't that so?
     
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    And those are the people they are short of.
     
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    Those parts of the process are also automated in some ports, notably the large ones at LA and many others.
     
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    Primarily a shortage of truck drivers that is most impacting LA. NO port has automated trucks. They all require a driver.
    Care to provide a link to these automated cranes you speak of?
     
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    It's the first one I found. There are more, but this will be enough to get you started.
     
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    It's been years, but the roads around Pittsburgh (and downtown) were some of the worst I've ever seen. In the late 70's and early 80's, it was downright dangerous around downtown Pittsburgh due to potholes. Hopefully it's a lot better, but with the temperature changes and the changing elevations, it will always be challenging.
     
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    Those cranes unloading the containers are all manned by an operator. As well all the trucks shown.
     
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    I think you need to watch the video with the sound turned up. If you can't comprehend, I ain't got nuthin for ya!
    Not saying all the terminals are like this, but many have varying stages of technology, all the way to fully automated. Makes a lot of sense, but costs a lot of good jobs, while providing some really good jobs in maintenance and related fields.
     
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    The only thing "automatic" in your video were the container stackers. Crane loading or unloading the ship is manned, and the containers were being loaded from and unloaded to a truck with a driver. Automation has simply reduced the # of workers needed, not eliminated.
     

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