Tax China?

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    RoanokeIllinois Banned Donor

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    After all the trade that we give to China, and allowing them to control, and flood our markets with their very cheaply made, and sometimes hazardous items, should we put a special tax on everything that they import to us?

    It would help America's Economy, and bring back more jobs to America, if we stopped importing as many items, and started opening more factories in America, therefore keeping more jobs in America.

    And statistically, more people would buy more American made items, if there was a special tarrif on anything imported to America. Because it would make American made products a lot more competitive.

    After all, why not keep more jobs in America? isn't out economy bad enough. Why export them to China's sweatshops, where little children are being used to make Nike products?
     
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    Congress wants to protect their cheap labor and keep their corporate masters happy with cheap goods. The priority is corporate greed,not America.
     
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    Unfortunately, that is on both sides of the spectrum. Both parties line their pockets on this subject at least to some degree.

    Did Trump do something like this whilst he was in office? I thought he put a tariff on goods from some country?
     
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    Yes, but the president doesn't have the authority to truly do it right. The tax has to be on end goods, not resources. Taxes on resources are more damaging to your own economy. Plus there are long term benefits of using other nations resources before our own.
     
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    A large percent of that money that the U.S. sends to China buying their goods goes to the Chinese military. (In fact the Chinese government owns most of the very large corporations in China)

    You can find various news articles out there that will give you some small taste of how much money the U.S. has spent "countering the threat" from China, in the Pacific.
    One example was 640 million dollars spent, by the U.S., on a military base in Australia.
     
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    and what about becoming energy independent though? did Trump do that also, whilst in office? If so, I would think that would save America a lot of time, grief and effort, than begging it from other nations, and making gas go up to 7 dollars a gallon.

    Or maybe, that's putin's price hike?

    So, taxing other countries goods, to make more jobs in America, and for America to have a competitive fighting chance against other goods, is a bad thing? I never saw it that way, but than again, I'm an American conservative.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He tried, but Democrats were blocking him at every turn. A president can't get laws passed on his own.

    There was plenty of notable success towards energy independence though.
     
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    I just hope that lebron james and michael jordan's can still make millions off of their nike shoes, from little kids that gets used and abused, without full time hours or benefits, or work breaks, or a healthy work environment.

    Of course, the liberal activists tend to get really quite, when asked about the work places in china, where so many of there things are made.

    Maybe we should ask the Sharks, from the show Shark Tank, on CNBC( a sister network to NBC).? the venture capitalists, that love to give sharky deals to American entrepreneurs.

    Although that show does make a lot of sense. the sharks are ultimately part of the 1 percenters, and even Damon got invited to a congrats thing by obama. If people like the sharks have their sticky fingers into every business out there, then they can control a lot. Especially if they buy the right ones out. hehe. lmao.

    Acourse most of those sharky sharks love china. It gives them more profits.
     
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    very true. I wonder why Democrat Politicians hate Americans so much, and capitalism? After all, it's how they got rich.

    Maybe we should ask, bernie boy Sanders? lol
     
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    There are many special interests fighting this. You are probably not aware of this, but you should take special notice of the types of news publications the upper middle class and business type people read.

    It's hard to fight something when you are not aware of it and do not see the argument that those who have power are seeing.
     
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    alot of those people on wall street, and business people in general are corrupt, and very materialistic, and very greedy. More than the average person.

    I know what I need to know. Yes politicians on both sides use illegal for cheap labor, and also use the Chinese for cheap labor.
    It's easier said than done to fix Americans problems.

    However, some at least have the guts, to try and fix it. Whilst, most are simply just roll over, traitorous Cowards to America, and should be imprisoned for it(many politicians on both sides).
     
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    The hate of their country will stop as soon as they have cemented complete control and any threat against them is gone.
    Take a look at how patriotic and nationalistic the Soviet Union and Communist China became, once they had "eliminated enemies" and "remade the society".
    It's a ploy to get people to hate the past and the current establishment, to direct those feelings of destruction against their enemies.
    They can't keep advocating hate against the system when everyone knows and has no doubt they have complete control. Then, you have to tell people that everything is good, and the country is great.
     
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    I'd rather be killed Communist style, with a bullet in my head, then to be a traitor to my own country.

    So bring it on China! and Democrat wanna be communist Politicians! Bernie Sanders can go f*** himself!
     
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    Most children, couldn't do worst than what most of the Democrat Politicians do in America. lol

    The children, would probably whine a lot less. lol.
     
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    Notice how the media is quick to stir up bad feelings against Russia, but much more reluctant to make the public hate China, even despite some of the outrageous things that go on there that are so bad the media has to criticize it. There are some double standards there.
     
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    owe for sure. Hillary clinton didn't delete all of her top secret files, colluding with russia for nothing.

    After the dems got caught, they had to do something. What better to do, than to psychologically project corruption, and being a traitor to one country, with things like pay for play, than to push it off on ones own opponent? lol.
     
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    that and corona helped them take power in the U.S., whilst bringing America closer to Socialism, than anyone has been able to before.

    so of course democrat politicians love china. I wouldn't be surpised if they helped them.

    I mean, besides all of the funding they gave them, threw the who, and other organizations. faucci helped.
     
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    Why Tax the 1 percent companies and corporations like Walmart, or the companies that fold to Democrat Political Correctness, when Democrat Politicians can tax the American people, and put 7 dollars per gallon for gas, and inflation on everything, to probably line their pockets to get richer, and to promote their Green New Socialist Deal.

    reality check! Democrat Politicians are in the 1 percenter! It's yet just another example of psychological projection.
     
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    speaking of Taxes. Aren't Democrat Politicians trying to give like 80 billion to the IRS, so they can create more jobs, and make Government a whole lot bigger in America, so they can destroy small businesses, and destroy the middle class, and Union Jobs, such as coal miners.

    and at the same time regulate and control and go after more and more Republicans!

    It's corruption at its finest. Democrat style.

    That's if they pass the bill. joe mansion sold out for the money, and caved.
     
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    both sides use illegal immigrants for cheap labor. Republicans are very contradictory on the subject of illegals. Good things Trump was in there building the wall.
     
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    now in Illinois, the state I live in, the Democrat Politicians are taking away the federal and state income taxes on food. but only temporarily.
     
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    Is taxing goods imported from China the same as taxing China? The latter makes it sound like China is paying the tax when it is really just taxing Americans buying Chinese products. It may reduce purchases from China.

    That sulfurous drywall from China was pretty strange. Whatever became of that?

    Why don't all of the various economic enthusiasts advocate mandatory accounting/finance in the schools?

    Wouldn't Adam Smith aprove? He wrote about education and said, "read, write, and account".
     
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    No, that's false. Taxing natural resources is better because their supply is fixed, so the tax cannot be passed on and does not harm the economy. That is why all honest and competent economists support taxation of the unimproved value of land. Taxing end goods taxes production. Taxing the resource only taxes ownership or exclusive possession.
     
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    If the cost of steel goes up because of taxes, everything made with steel will cost more. So yes the tax does pass on. Raw land taxes makes sense but I don't see this being the same with resources like steel and such.
     
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    Steel is a product, not a natural resource. Taxing iron ore in the ground does not increase its cost, as the tax cost is the same no matter what is done with it. That is the beauty of taxing natural resources: it increases the incentive to use them productively because the owner has to pay the tax anyway.
     
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