Teacher Vaccinations

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  1. Grey Matter

    Grey Matter Well-Known Member Donor

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    It seems to me that if there is an initiative to open schools then there has to be an initiative to vaccinate teachers. I really don't see how this is debatable. Our teachers are supposed to go back into the known flu and cold factories of our elementary, middle and high schools without being vaccinated? Mandatory teacher attendance upon threat of termination?

    What possible "scientific" guidance supersedes fundamental categorical syllogistic logic?
     
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    Teachers are being vaccinated now as 1B workers. The problem for some school systems is how do you handle teacher who refuse to be vaccinated or work. I think the Chicago union is supposed to vote on some measures this week as to trying to create a path forward.
     
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    I tend to agree.
    I think the difficulties arise when grocery workers, prison guards etc. start to make the same demands.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    The CDC disagrees.

    CDC Director: Teacher vaccinations aren't necessary to open ...

    www.businessinsider.com › News › Education
    4 days ago — CDC Director reiterates agency's view that teacher vaccinations aren't a 'prerequisite for reopening schools' · CDC Director Rochelle Walensky on ...

    And we're supposed to be following the science now, right? Isn't that what Joe Biden promised?

    Yeah, that promise will last until the science smashes into the brick wall of the political power of the teachers unions.

    The teachers are loving their new cushy stay-at-home gigs, and they're not going to give them up without a fight.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Here's what the teachers are really thinking-

    They don't seem all that concerned about getting vaccinated. It seems they have other axes to grind.


     
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    Teachers can safely go back to work. That's what "the science" says. If every one of them is vaccinated, they will say now every child must be vaccinated too. They just don't want to go back to work. Can't say I blame them. The answer is to say no work, no pay. And then, moving forward, don't hire union teachers.
     
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    Given that grocery store workers have not been at home hiding throughout the pandemic, I'm unclear why simple precautions shouldn't suffice. The CDC says it's OK so I'm unclear on what the argument is against them returning to work since the science already says it's fine.
     
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    Most teachers are young, healthy people, who would recover if they did contract it. The chances aren't as high as when they visit the grocery store or Walmart. If there are older teachers who would prefer just to retire, let them.
     
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    I'm fine with the teachers classifying themselves as non-essential, and staying on their extended work-from-home vacations.

    And we'll hold them to that the next time they come looking for a pay raise.


    A raise? For what? Sitting home on the couch and binge watching Say Yes to the Dress?
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    You heard the argument straight from the horse's mouth-

    "We're not babysitters."
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why do so many people use the word 'vaccine' to describe something that is not a vaccine?

    I suspect it may be related to the reasoning involved in using for diagnostic purposes a test not designed for diagnostic purposes.

    Pure propaganda in a time of universal deception.

    Plandemic.
     
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    Okay, I'll bite, but I know I'm going to regret this.

    What was it that went into my arm twice last month if it wasn't a vaccine?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    It was an injection of a gene-editing cocktail. Moderna has been working on such for a long time, but this was the first time it has been used on humans, and under an Emergency Use Only protocol.

    Here is a definition from Websters 1984:

    A suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms, as of virus or bacteria, incapable of inducing severe infection but capable when inoculated of counteracting the unmodified species. 2) A vaccine prepared from the cowpox virus and inoculated against smallpox.

    Legal definitions are based on that standard.

    The current injections are not vaccines, even though the public have been conditioned to believe they are.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Semantics games.

    It's still a vaccine even if it was made via RNA-guided gene editing.

    By calling it a "gene-editing cocktail" it seems like you're trying to suggest that the "cocktail" is injected into the body, and then it goes to work and starts editing your genes.

    That's incorrect, and it sounds like fearmongering misinformation.

    Is that what you're doing? Are you trying to make the covid vaccine sound like it's some sort of scary gene splicing concoction?
     
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    What I'm doing is relying upon the meanings of words as defined in a dictionary to hopefully engage in rational public dialogue with like minded people.

    You very well should be frightened being involved as a test subject for a first ever use of gene editing injections. You and I both have been frightened for the last year regarding the Virus From Hell. I've been over it for a long time. Likely you are not yet. Good luck.
     
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    Please explain what "gene editing injections" means.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Common meaning of the words.

    There are many experts who can explain it in better detail than I.

    If you're really interested, spend some time at this website: Home | Urban Global Health Alliance
     
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    Baloney. My daughter is working her arse off trying to teach remotely and having to make up her own videos, etc.
     
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    Can't retire unless a teacher has a certain number of years in. In my state, it is 30.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure all the front-line nurses working 12-hour shifts treating covid patients are weeping sympathetic tears for your daughter who does a few hours of Zoom calls and then makes YouTube videos in her jammies on her couch.
     
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    It's most likely a matter of 30 years in order to receive full pension.

    There's no legal way that a school district can refuse to let a teacher retire basically whenever they want to.

    Lincoln freed the slaves.
     
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    I thought teachers must have a pretty good work-from-home gig what with the distance learning, but I was wrong.

    I looked it up, and they have a FANTASTIC GIG!

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    I'm actually shocked.

    Basically no teacher is working more than 3 hours per day, and some of them aren't even putting in an hour.

    Wow.

    No wonder they're fighting against going back to school tooth and nail.
     
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    She doesn't work in her frigging pajamas. She has to go to school quite often to much of her work. Shows how little you know about teaching. Does not use ZOOM, DA.
     
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    I'd pull a Reagan on them and fire them ALL if they refused to go back to work for the pay they're receiving. The absolute WORST problem in education today is the power of teacher unions. They serve only the needs or desires of teachers, screw what the children need. They protect bad or generally lazy and inept members from rightfully being terminated and replaced with decent educators. These unions are precisely why inner-city schools are the worst in the nation.
     
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    What teachers' unions? My state has absolutely NO teachers; unions. Inner City schools suck because of no parenting and the violence in and out of the schools.
     

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