The Book of Revelation Unlocked II

Continuing this thread from one of the last postings in the preceding thread:
"Originally posted by Cupiddave"
Originally Posted by Incorporeal

Who is going to show PROOF that my view is wrong? Proof = evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true."

If you are right, then you are sane, and others are crazy.

The test comes as Truth shows Facts about Reality that conflict with or agree with your image of that.
But you deny Truth exists, too, except that you alone must have Truth in your mind by which you assume Reality is imaged. "

It would seem that before Truth can be revealed, facts must first be extracted from what is called 'Reality'. Because 'facts' can be defined as 'something believed to be real or true', then the whole idea of reality becomes a matter of what one will believe to be true or real. You might want to rethink your game plan.

 

The Book of Revelation was written 200 years before Jesus was born.

Jesus added the first three chapters to what the Jews, themselves, say was ancient Hebrew prophecy.
In a few places, elsewhere, Jesus had added other words like "the lamb" and such things.
But it is clear where that happened.

That Jews recognize the Revelation as Jewish is very important
They can not deny what is said, simply because it was Christian, like the gospels.
As we read Revelation and compare it to History, we expect that prophecies ought start becoming very obvious since the history can be check along side of the writing.

Now, the writing is about a process to the end of the Age, or the end times, or whatever we might call it.
It seems good to compare the Revelation to what sociologists have said about empires which rise up, and then have always fallen down.
We can see the evidence they give us as useful in understanding things written in the Revelation.
Here is a synopsis of one of the best writings I could find:

Sir John Glubb
The seven stages of the rise and fall of great nations seem to be:

1) The Age of Pioneers (outburst)
2) The Age of Conquests
3) The Age of Commerce
4) The Age of Affluence
5) The Age of Intellect
6) The Age of Decadence.
7) The Age of Revolts or invasion.

Decadence is marked by: I] Defensiveness, II] Pessimism, III] Materialism, IV] Frivolity, V] an influx of foreigners, VI] The Welfare State, VII] a weakening of religion.

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814_files/TheFateofEmpiresbySirJohnGlubb.pdf

 

Glubb Pasha was talking about Empires not world history. You cannot relate the history of the world with the history of empires. Nor can you relate a book of images with today. The great Whore Babylon may have meant something then but most people today know nothing about ancient Babylon.

 

Not true. John wrote it @90 AD.

You've yet to provide a credible resource for you believing this.
This is not a credible reference. He doesn't provide a single usable footnote,
endnote or any type of a citation to back up his claim.

http://www.newworldeconomics.com/archives/2014/092814_files/TheFateofEmpiresbySirJohnGlubb.pdf

 

I didn't know I as relating it to world history exactly,... but perhaps it would be as good as using Wars as they did.
The Great Whore that sits upon each of these dominate societies, empires or kingdoms, has been the force behind "Frivolity."

The rise of women inside these nations can be seen today in what we call Feminism.
Welfare appears because it becomes necessary with the loose sexual immorality.
Hard work need immigrant who will do it.
The sexual revolution, of course, requires less religion and direct opposition to it.

 

The Book of Revelation remains, under its Christian cloak, a Jewish document.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12712-revelation-book-of

 

In virtually every ancient nation women have been subservient to man, and in many modern societies it is still the same. The rights for women are a natural progression from ancient practises.

That is the most ludicrous statement I've read for many a year. It has nothing to do with loose morality. Welfare has been around for thousands of years in one form or another. Ancient civilisations had various means of helping the poor. You should read the Bible. This takes some of the more ancient ways - as leaving the corners and edges of cornfields for the poor and widows to harvest - uses them.
There will always be poor and needy. Not everyone has the same ability. Some do the menial tasks and find less remuneration. It has always been so, and always will be.

Again you're talking nonsense. You ask the miners of the 60's - 90's in the UK country. British men who worked d... hard in dangerous conditions. You ask your parents and grandparents if Americans didn't work hard. If there were no immigrants do you think the work wouldn't get done. Off course it would or society would collapse. Societies today take advantage of immigrant labour, but if it weren't there?
It was hard work by poorly paid British workers in cotton mills and other establishments that made Britain great in the past.

The sexual revolution doesn't REQUIRE 'less religion'. It has it's own momentum. It has spread from being an underground movement in Victorian times, where brothels and prostitutes abounded, often 'underground', unseen by the public, but known by the 'gentry' of the time who were not averse to availing themselves of the 'amenities'.
It now has modern means of communication but it has always been there. Read your Bible.

 

There is no date in this.

 

It says that the Jewish Essenes apparently had this writing long before Jesus appeared, and the it was once in Hebrew which had vanished 2 centuries before Jesus was born.
Hence the writing is accepted as Jewish prophecy which was appropriated into the NT bible.

 

Yes.
You are dead right here.

The sociologists reports that in every nation which became dominate and successful, the feminists created the frivality that arose as one of the signs of the end.
The Christians saw this same thing in the Revelation, where the great whore sits upon the empires which then decline, one after the next.

From the Jewish copy of the The Revelation:

... "(the picture is taken probably from the Syrian representations of Astarte riding on a lion with a cup of destiny in her hand)...
"Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and has become the habitation of demons," for all the nations have drunk of the glowing wine of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her (Isa. xxiii. 17; Jer. xxv. 15, 27)."

The representations of Astarte "was connected with the fertility of crops and cattle, sexuality, and war."
Her symbols were the lion,... and a star within a circle indicating the planet Venus.
Pictorial representations often show her naked.

In the Ugartic texts of Canaan she is closely associated with Ba'al, the chief deity of the Canaanite pantheon during the period of the Israelite monarchy. In the Bible she is frequently mentioned as Ashtoreth, a Canaanite goddess whom the Israelites were much tempted to worship against God's will.

 

LOL
Welfare is helping single mothers who must have bastard children in order to get the benefit.

The first step REQUIRES the single mother to claim she is poor.
Then she gets what is now $40,000/year benefits.

Average Welfare recipient gets $40,000+ per year
September 18, 2013 by Harold Bray
Earlier this year Pennsylvania state officials traveled to the libertarian think tank, the Cato Institute, in search of a solution to a dilemma that most states have.
The dilemma, they said, was they could not find a way to transition welfare recipients to work. The average welfare recipient gets (ooops, I almost wrote “earned&#8221 $45,000 per year in benefits, they said, and has low work skills and little job history.
http://halfwaytoconcord.com/average-welfare-recipient-gets-40000-per-year/

 

Religion is the only organized opposition to a "sexual revolution" which makes a Culture immoral, wide open sexually oriented, and encourages illegitimacy as fine, rewarded by Welfare Benefits,free medical expenses, and Food Stamps, totaling $40,000 annually.

 

Apparently? That's a far cry from anything specific. However, the Book of the
Revelation of Jesus is very specific as who the writer is. It's John and it was
written around 90AD.

Good grief.

As for the rest of your post, nothing can be confirmed, which amounts to what
you've been posting. It's wishful thinking a best and "conspiracy theory" for
the most part.

 

So what. The vast majority of welfare - in the UK anyway - is spent on helping those in need. There are many who work very hard in this country for wages that cannot sustain a standard of living deemed necessary by the government. They get benefits.

You're simply using a current local situation to sustain an argument.

Welfare has been around for millenia. Would you deny those who work hard for little money a reasonable standard of living. Every country depends on workers, usually those whose educational abilities are limited, to fulfil lowpaid jobs.

Your post is a slur on these people. Without them your country, and mine, would be in trouble.

 

What on earth are you ranting about?

 

In other words you don't have any real evidence except that it may have happened,
which it didn't.

It was appropriated into the NT because John wrote it.

 

Evidently they did worship Astarte because they have found 4,000 small clay idols of Astarte in Jerusalem.

 

Using that logic, then it could be said that people in the UK and China and the other countries of the Orient actually worship the Celestial TeaPot because one can find perhaps thousands of TeaPots in those areas.

 

'John's' Revelation indeed contains many of the prophecies and images of the Tanakh. It could therefore be called a Jewish document appropriated by Christianity.

The Essenes did have their own Book of Revelations. This was not the same as 'John's' although it too contained Tanakh images and prophecies. However it also contains many things not contained in the Tanakh. You can read it online.

There is no evidence that they had a copy that John copied. John was a Jew who knew Jewish scriptures like the back of his hand, having been brought up to learn them, like all Jewish boys.

If you can understand that.

 

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So you say, "No. The Jews can accept this as a Hebrew prophecy which has come down through the Essenes.
Jews wrote Revelations into their own Encyclopedia Judaica.
Jews say that Revelation was originally a Hebrew writing at least 200 years older that 32 AD.
Revelation was researched by their own Rabbi and history people to assure this is true.

But they are wrong.
But you say

 

1) The sociologists reports that in every nation which became dominate and successful, the feminists created the frivolity that arose as one of the signs of the end.

2) Revelation agree with them according to Jewish comment on Revelation.

 

Is there some reason you hate women and ride this one trick pony?

 

You are very off base about the UK.
But in America, the situation is now terrible.
The Federal Budget is $4 trillion dollars a year, and Welfare to single mothers is $1 Trillion dollars, or more than the one time bail out.

http://truthinmedia.com/welfare-recipients-in-new-york-can-now-earn-more-than-teachers/

A new study by the CATO Institute, a public policy think tank, found that some welfare recipients make more “income” than those in the private sector.
A mother with two children in New York, for instance, is able to collect $38,004 per year in welfare handouts. This is greater than the starting salary of a teacher in the state. And the problem is not limited to New York. CATO found that many states give handouts with sums greater than what workers earn in the private sector. According to the study, Hawaii is generally the most generous with benefits — there, a mother of two is eligible to earn $60,590 per year.

 

"Is there some reason you hate SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS, loudly advertising their wares type-women and ride this one trick pony?"

Yes.
They hurt kids with enormous child abuse:

Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Doesn't you Islam say anything about this...?

 

Half right...

John copied EXACTLY the same things which were the Jewish Revelation.
He then added the first three chapters to that writing.
In a number of easy to locate places, he inserted a word or two, here and there.

Both writings other wise are IDENTICAL.