The capacity for self criticism

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  1. Le Chef

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    The most obvious change in American politics this century is the sorting of voters along educational lines. The Democrats are increasingly the party of educated urban elites; the GOP belongs to the white working class. The dispute is over suburban and minority voters. The latter still plump mostly for Democrats, although the party’s social radicalism is pushing them toward the GOP. Voters with impressive educational credentials tend to be Democrats, and those without them lean strongly Republican.

    That one party is the educated party—that its members see themselves, in some respects accurately, as more cultured and informed than their opponents—has generated an intellectual pathology that is obvious to everyone but themselves. Adherents of the smart-people party have lost the capacity for self-criticism. Which on its face makes sense. If your views are by definition intelligent, those of your critics must be dumb. Who needs self-reflection?


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-th...nflation-election-excuses-11670592902?mod=mhp

    I was a Democrat and voted Democratic until I started working in a shop with other blue collar guys. I learned and respected their family values and grew to hate the progressives who spat on them and their heritage.

    That's one reason I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat other than someone like Joe Manchin.
     
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    republicans supporting Trumpism and this anti-abortion nonsense is not something most want

    how could anyone that supports family values support Trump though?

    is it getting Stormy in here?

    and of course forcing women and young girls to have their rapists babies, I just can't support that
     
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    Well, not all anti abortion initiatives are nonsense. Look at a photo of a 7 month d "fetus." Looks suspiciously like a little baby.

    Trumpism is an unfortunate aberration. I will vote Libertarian if he wins the R nomination.
     
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    those only happen with the women's health is at risk and are very rare

    "Trumpism is an unfortunate aberration. I will vote Libertarian if he wins the R nomination."

    good for you, good move
     
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    I'm glad they are rare. But should they be illegal?
     
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    not if the women's life is at risk, that should be between her and her doctor, not you or I

    forced abortion and forced childbirth should be a crime
     
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    What if her health is at risk?
     
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    I suppose one interpretation of your own experience, could be that you had your eyes opened. Another one, could simply be that you were influenced by your circle of associates (a very typical occurrence), and became bigoted against "the elites." Hate, anger, and fear (as well as lies)-- social media has shown us-- spread much more quickly, and are more addictively arousing, than truth, tolerance, love, openness, acceptance, and bravery.


    By the way:
    1) The argument you had quoted was patently non-factual; for one example: how large a chunk of the population could possibly qualify as "elite?"-- 35%, 45%, 50%? What does that mean-- that a person got a college degree? And that is something to hold against a person? And something, especially, we wouldn't want, in elected officials? Of course, you realize, by that definition, practically all the Republican politicians, of which you may be a fan, would qualify as "elites?" Really, as "super-elites," in many cases, because they went further than just getting a Bachelor's degree, and got a Law degree.

    2) That Republicans are for the "white working class," is also, plainly, a fantasy. Wouldn't the working class supporter vote in favor of giving Rail workers, sick days? Because Dems tried to do that, and Republicans stopped them. The ACA, helped a lot of "working class," people (including many white ones). One could go down the line, checking off items supported by Dems, which do or would help blue collar workers-- like low cost, available, child care; free public college; internet cable access extended to all households; etc.-- to which Republicans object. In truth, the difference between the Parties is becoming much more defined along social lines: abortion; tolerance for people of non traditional relationships/sexuality; and on views of both racial minorities (principally blacks), and of immigrants.

    I gauge people on an individual basis, not by their political affiliation.
     
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    Maybe. I'll think about it.
     
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