The climate change (global warming) crowd is responsible for the California fires.

These people demanded that controlled burns were damaging the environment and therefore they were banned. Now here we are, the underbrush burned off anyway and thousands are without homes and millions of acers burned. Liberalism, it's what you get when you vote for it.

 

As the arctic circle ice melts?????

 

Yes sir, the fireman need the water.

 

That is not as much temperature as it is albedo. Once a dark spot gets exposed, it tends to spread. Most of us who have lived in snow country has seen it. One dark spot on the pavement will spread very rapidly unless there is a very large drop in temperature or more snowfall. Generally, it can happen without a major change in temperature. All that is required is a shortage of snow fall.

 

Interesting; didn't know that.

 

Aaaaannnnnd what is causing these “dark spots”?

 

Same as after any snow fall. You have open areas. The wind blow the snow away or they are sheltered from getting a heavier snow. Nothing is every completely uniform.

 

Concentrations of CO2, obviously

 

roll:

yeah! Make stuff up - isn’t that what you believe the scientists do - or have I wronged you and you are a firm proponent of the science underpinning the IPCC reports?

 

And why would this be happing more now than say 20 years ago?

 

That would be due to rising temps

 

There is no disputing that the earth has warmed depending on what time period you look at. Right now we are in a general warming period.
If you are ever in Colorado Springs or Denver in January. Look to the west at all the snow on the mountains. They are not uniformly covered with snow. There are dark areas. Now, if you stay there for a week or two and there is no snow or change in temperature, those spots will get bigger. The air temperature has not changed appreciably. Even though the temperature is well below freezing, those spots get bigger because of mostly evaporation and possibly some melting.

Keep in mind, that in general, the earth warms or cools the air, not the other way around. The earth is the heat sink or the heat source. Of course there are exceptions, but that is the most frequent sequence of events.

 

Yeah mate

I am over arguing with science deniers - perhaps and just maybe if we can trip them with their own “logic” we might shine a light on the holes in their beliefs

 

Wow! Soooo scientific!

 

Where am I wrong?

 

That is up to you

I am no longer spending hours researching the science only to have people dismiss it out of hand but just off the top of my head - what is the role of the microclimate in this? Air pollution? Etc etc etc.

 

Same here, I am tired of fakes and paid trolls.

 

I don't think anybody should be trying to prevent these fires anymore than someone should try and stop the rain. It's a natural process, let it burn and stay out of the way, just as you would stay away from the lava flow of a volcano.

 

Who are "these people?"

57% of California is national forest. You know, what's burning. 40% is private and only 3% state land.

"These people" must be the feds. Trump.

 

How very unsurprising to see a post from a Trumpette that is the opposite of the truth.

 

DUH. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT owns 57% 0f the land in California, Dirty Donald is not keeping his land cleaned up!!!!

 

57% of the 33 million acres of forests in California are FEDERAL LAND not state!!!

 

Not so sure there are others who feel this way considering peoples' homes will burn down as a result of "staying out of the way and letting it burn"

 

Rebuilding in these same areas should be illegal. Just as building stick built homes in Tornado Alley should be illegal.

 

Have to agree that bad decisions and management by progressive government have created the monster fires. Not that fires don't occur anyway, but the ability to contain them and minimize damage has been lost through those choices, multiplying the damage perhaps 10-fold. Funds for firebreaks and clearing of underbrush were re-directed to other priorities. Same is true of their endangered water supply- nothing has been done to improve it for about 50 years, while the population and demands kept rising.

While there is global warming, that is about a degree or so Fahrenheit. However, timber doesn't spontaneously burst into flames for another 400 degrees, so the global warming is not starting the fires. However, brush is bit drier- and if not kept clear, thus burns faster, making fires more aggressive. Solution? Clear the brush... which they used to do before they decided to spend that money on something that wasn't burning yet.
And yes, arctic ice is melting. But then, back about 10,000 years ago we had glaciers covering much of the American midwest. A little melting every now and then seems to be normal on the geological time scale. Probably indicates the next ice age will be due soon.