The Desparation of the Procreation Argument Against Equality

there are a number of scientific studies, if you were being honestly subjective a quick google word search would supply it to you in seconds...anthropologically and biologically it serves a purpose...I could spoon feed you the information but this is one of those issues that you should research yourself...

basic adaption/evolution eliminates unwanted and disadvantageous mutations, they disappear back into the gene pool...between 3 and 5% of the population is gay or bisexual, for it to be persistently that high would indicate it serves a purpose to the specie...

 

www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality

it happens in nature. One theory is that it is done to strengthen social bonds.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/05/19/homosexuality-common-in-wild-scientists-say/

Not scientific I know but come on even Fox has reported on this.

 

No. I simply meant that my opinions have no effect on society.

 

Clearly.

 

It irrelevant to the issue of marriage. And gay folks to have children. What is wrong with you!!??

 

Children of same-sex couples happier, healthier than general population, study finds

A study conducted by researchers at the University of Melbourne, in Australia, found that the children of same-sex couples fare better “than the general population on measures of general health and family cohesion.”

Simon Crouch and his team performed a cross-sectional survey of 315 same-sex parents, representing over 500 children. Unlike many studies of same-sex parenting, the majority of respondents were lesbians parents.

The results indicated that children raised by same-sex parents average six percent higher than the population at large when it comes to general health and family cohesion.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/0...n-study-finds/

 

I'm curious as to what happened to the people who demanded to see scientific studies cited in this thread.

Until proven otherwise, I'll assume that they all decided that homosexuality is perfectly fine and a benefit to society as a whole after reading the studies.

 

It is very relevant to the issue of marriage.

 

What people are they. I do believe that I posted links to any studies that I mentioned. Many have in fact decided that "homosexuality is just fine" What have you decided?

 

You misunderstand me, I allude to the fact that people like The Amazing Sam's Ego demand to see links to scientific articles, but when they are produced they fall completely silent and pretend like nothing happened at all.

 

How so Sam? have you been completely unable to comprehend ANYTHING that has been posted here? Have you read the court cases?

 

The court cases that say procreation is irrelevant are either not supreme court cases, or, IIRC, outdated.

 

So what if they are not supreme court cases! Every time that it is tried in a lower court the argument is tossed out. At this point I can't imagine that any state would attempt to use procreation as a justification to discriminate one a case about marriage does reach SCOTUS. Not only is there no legal argument but there is no logical argument either. Oh I forgot, you don't understand logic.

IIRC,?? What the hell is that?

outdated? Example please. Show us one recent case where procreation was argued successfully and a discriminatory law was upheld as a result. Even Scalia knows it's horse(*)(*)(*)(*)!

 

I have a serious question for all of those who oppose gay marriage and gay rights in general. The question is; What motivates you? What is your fear? This is not a trick question or an attempt to be facetious. I really want to understand. I get that people are opposed on moral grounds. I get that you're repulsed by the idea of same sex couples. But what I want to know is how you will be personally effected by extending rights to gays. What will be different in your life, what will change in your community on the day after same sex marriage is legal? I'm not looking for rationalizations or philosophical reasons. I want to hear concrete pragmatic concerns. I would appreciate honest and straight forward answers.

 

Actually the Supreme Court has said that procreation is irrelevant- when it said that prisoners can get married even if they have no potential for procreation.

 

when asked if 55 year old should be barred from marriage because of being passed the age of procreation the court basically said no. Under that logic, if an old couple who can't have kids anymore or a barren couple can get married, how can you deny a SS couple under the reasoning that hey can't procreate.

 

Good luck in trying to get a rational answer to that one. Procreation is just one of many excuses used by people who are to cowardly to admit that they are just bigots

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I asked him what "outdated" cases he's talking about. No response.

 

Good luck with getting anything resembling an intelligent answer.

Usually their "reasoning" is that gay marriage will lead to people marrying their pet turtles....or something... and married turtles will destroy every hetero couples marriage ...or something...(if I'm not making any sense consider you have just got the best answer you'll ever get to your question )

 

How? Many heterosexual married people don't have children nor want any....they are still legally married...

Maybe now's a good time to remind other posters how you find research on the internet boring and you can't be bothered....

 

I posted this on 4 or 5 threads and you're the only response! I'm in NJ where same sex marriage was legalized last fall by edict of a state judge ( Gov. lard ass dropped the appeal to the state supreme court because it was clear that he would get smacked down) The sun still came up the next morning, gay folks were not prancing in the street scantily clad, and they are still not teaching gay sex at the nearby middle school, straight people are still getting married and having babies and my heterosexual marriage is just as good and valued as ever. The fact is that nobody seems to care, nobody is talking about it, and it's just not an issue anymore. The only thing that has changed is the lives of gay couples who are now equal.

 

2. Protecting Children Is A “Pretext” For Discrimination

Crabtree describes Colorado’s defense of its ban as “post-hoc,” suggesting that the ideas were invented after the ban was passed, as opposed to being ideas to justify the ban in the first place. He was particularly unimpressed with the state’s arguments in favor of “encouraging procreation and marital commitment for the benefit of the children.”

“The problem with this post-hoc explanation,” he wrote, “is that it utterly ignores those who are permitted to marry without the ability or desire to procreate. It is merely a pretext for discriminating against same-sex marriages.” http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/07/10/3458605/colorado-marriage-decision/

 

I AM SHOCKED!