The EPA went rogue and Trump's pick will rein it in

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  1. jackdog

    jackdog Well-Known Member

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    I was pretty surprised to see this on CNN but I have agree with teh author on every point. EPA was a great organization in the 60's and 70's somewhere in the 90's it turned into a monster that defecated regulations and rules which the Obama Administration fed exlax and roughage It needs a serious haircut in my opinion.

    The EPA went rogue and Trump's pick will rein it in

    Any parent who has ever disciplined children knows that no matter how hard it might be, it's for their own good. The Environmental Protection Agency could use some discipline right about now.

    During the Obama administration, the EPA became a lawless organ of federal power, divorced from the Congressional statutes that were meant to constrain it. If it is to be reformed, it will need the steady hand of someone who understands just how thoroughly it has gone astray. Enter Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, a man who has spent the last six years pushing back on the EPA's most egregious overreaches.
     
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    You need SOME regulations to keep disasters from towns in Republican-held states like Flint happening across America.

    But yeah, the EPA will absolutely thrive being headed by a denier in climate change and a puppet in the fossil fuel industry.
     
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    Let's split the difference and abolish it
     
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    What good will that do?
     
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    Yeah, I know what you mean. Blue States and Cities like Flint that their Democratic Party mayor poisoned the citizens. Then again Gina McCarthy did a pretty good job in polluting the Animas, San Juan Rivers and the near by Navajo nations drinking water with heavy metals. Then she put coal miners out of work too by order of Obama. Of course you'd prefer to keep her in charge.
     
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    Sure. How about we just simply form a set of guidelines that companies are expected to follow. Any company that doesn't gets no tax cuts, no tax deductions, no government contracts, no nothing. They lose all of the benefits they currently have., No EPA to fine them, but they would still lose more from not following enviromental standards than not.
     
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    The EPA ignored the problems in Flint.
     
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    Retards at EPA To Alaskans In Sub-Zero Temps: Stop Burning Wood To Keep Warm.

    The problem is, there’s no replacement for wood-burning stoves in Alaska’s interior. Heating oil is too expensive for a lot of people, and natural gas isn’t available. So they’ve got to burn something. The average low temperature in Fairbanks in December is 13 degrees below zero. In January, it’s 17 below. During the coldest days of winter, the high temperature averages -2 degrees, and it can get as cold as -60. This is not a place where you play games with the cold. If you don’t keep the fire lit, you die. For people of modest means, and especially for the poor, that means you burn wood in a stove—and you keep that fire lit around the clock.

    We aren’t talking about pollution-laced fog descending on an entire city; we’re talking about burning wood to stay warm. If that means you must endure some air pollution from the smoke from time to time, then that’s the price of living in a place like Alaska’s frozen interior.

    The problem with the EPA bullying the people of Fairbanks about their wood stoves is that the federal government thinks this is a problem that can be solved. What would the EPA have Alaskans do, use solar panels to heat their homes in winter?

    In his story, Jack London wrote of the chechaquo (newcomers) that “The trouble with him was that he was without imagination.” That is, he simply didn’t understand the cold, or where exactly he was:

    He was quick and alert in the things of life, but only in the things, and not in the significances. Fifty degrees below zero meant 80 odd degrees of frost. Such facts impressed him as being cold and uncomfortable, and that was all. It did not lead him to meditate upon his frailty as a creature of temperature, and upon man’s frailty in general, able only to live within certain narrow limits of heat and cold; and from there on, it did not lead him to the conjectural field of immortality and man’s place in the universe.

    Bureaucrats at the EPA fretting over the smoke from Alaskans’ wood stoves in the dead of winter, we might say something similar: they understand facts but not the significance of them. Burning wood when it’s -20 degrees outside the EPA doesn’t accept, or even grasp, is man’s place in the universe: in the face of Alaska’s deadly cold interior, there’s only so much we can do. So we build a fire.

    http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/30/epa-alaskans-sub-zero-temps-stop-burning-wood-keep-warm/

    Trump will make the EPA Great Again!
     
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    Let's kill two birds with one stone: Eliminate the Epa and open the coal mines and burn off huge piles of coal so trump voters can be great again.
     
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    Okay, that is all fairly accurate.

    What is not considered is the effect of NAFTA and GATT.

    Consider that those free trade treaties are like secret laws. If you have ever accessed the WTO site you will know it is a labarynth of regulation that are invoked when a US corporation is doing business with a foreign corporation.

    When those treaties are invoked by commerce between corporations with those status, US law is usurped.

    This is treason against the constitution and the US government, congress etc is guilty. They are doing everything possible to hide that guilt. The corps are paying them off continuously in hidden ways.

    Knowing that is gained by reading the treaties and implication contained therein rather than any direct statements. I was first directed to reading it in depth by a paralegal in 1995 who saw NAFTA then looked at the WTO articles of GATT and told me what he thought. I looked, I agree.

    Okay, now imagine being a controlling official of the EPA and contemplating an environmental emergency that, under US law would engage the authority of the agency. But under the WTO articles, there is no authority. Instead you have concerned congress people saying, "do something to look busy, but do not let on that you really have no authority. Do not expose us under any conditions.

    That is a situation any competent leadership is going to walk away from.

    What you get are tools, creeps, frauds and climbers taking the job for a while, then bailing out of the position.

    Seems to me that what I've described explains fairly well what has happened that the OP points out.

    It is clear to me we need our lawful, peaceful revolution just to find out the truth.

    http://algoxy.com/law/lawfulpeacefulrevolution.html

    So trump is putting a true scam artist in there that can make it look good but do nothing but protect corporations while keeping the secret.
     
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    Yea...because who needs clean air or water...right?
     
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    The EPA didn't cause this problem. Fiscal conservatives did.

    If the EPA is at fault here it's at fault for not acting quickly enough. They DID act.

    Trumps pick for head of the EPA is not going to fix that...in fact quite the opposite
     

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