The FBI’s investigation into Trump’s Russian connections could pave the way to impeachment

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  1. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL!!!

    "There's trouble in the white house!"

    "What is it?"

    "It's the place Hillary doesn't live, but never mind that!..."
     
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    Was Hillary destroying 30,000 subpoened emails a crime?
     
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    Because he answered in the context of the question. Dude, you have to get over this. Its going NOWHERE. You guys are just reaching into space for anything you can find. It didn't work in the Presidential election and it ain't workin now. Its more than obvious you are willing to overlook everything found out about Clinton, the DNC, the Steele Dossier, the uranium deal, money wired to Clinton while Sec of State.

    You are promoting nothing more than a pipe dream because any single piece of evidence that could even come close to showing Trump collusion it would have been leaked way before now. If Muller had a case he wouldn't have decided to wait until after the midterms to announce it.
    Its over, It never happened, and we landed on the moon. C'mon buddy
     
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    From whom did Manafort receive his millions? The Ukrainian government under Yanukovych, who won in a party and platform shaped by Manafort, and this government was essentially just a puppet for Putin which is the connection between Manafort's service to Putin and possible intrusions into the campaign that may or may not have included the President. The Manafort convictions so far are just leverage, Manafort is now working with Mueller on their investigation and it looks like Manafort's partner Roger Stone is next. We will see what further information is in that indictment, but all we have from Trump's side is lies so far, he has deluded you people into thinking its a done deal, no doubt a witch hunt.

    What if Putin had something on Trump that could possibly be influencing his behavior in some way? Doesn't that worry you so called "patriots"? No, for political expediency Republicans have used the platform of government to obscure the facts, project false narratives and prevent the American people from really learning what these men have been lying about and how deep was the known effort to influence and infiltrate the Trump administration. Russia is not our friends, Russia wants to incorporate Eastern Ukraine, the Baltic and NATO is what frustrates their geopolitical interests, and if America were to drop out of NATO or make it inept it would succeed in giving them the basis for victory in claiming their objectives. Listen to Putin's speeches about the tens of millions of Russians in diaspora in former Soviet States, and you will see his ethnic justifications which he uses to ramp up nationalistic support for incorporating these territories.

    We might see conflict with Russia in the near future and we don't know who our guy is. It is a catastrophe that you people elected him, but your apologetics to try and torpedo Mueller's investigations is near treasonous in my book. History will I think prove this assertion justified, given what continues to unfold every day with the lying and divisiveness.
     
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    As he is the commander in chief, yes. I would have fired him on January 27th when I learned he leaked classified information to CNN, but did not report to me. When one tolerates insubordination, one weakens the office of the presidency.
     
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    Have you seen this supposed Putin influence manifested... anywhere?

    IT'S A HOAX.
     
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    "Trump chumps"?

    I found your problem. You aren't really interested in debating, only shoving your perspective down other peoples throats.

    No thanks.
     
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    Why did Flynn plead the fifth? Why did Carter Page?
    When’s she going to be charged if she broke the law?
     
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    I’m saying it’s not too late, not that I actually expect it.
     
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    What were the contents of Trump's conversation with Putin? How do you know their known effort was unsuccessful? All we have from the Trump team so far are lies an assaults on the press.
     
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    Despite the so-called "assault on the press", it seems they can blabber quite effortlessly. Seems the first amendment is working as intended.
     
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    My understanding is Manafort's wrongdoing was not reporting his work for a foreign government, that work BTW, is perfectly legal. Collusion isn't even a crime, unless money changes hands. China is right now trying to influence the midterms against Trump, does that bother you? How about Obama openly interfering in Israel's election against Netanyahu, with taxpayer money?

    If you have any proof I'm all ears, otherwise it's useless speculation.

    Nonsense, are you completely ignorant of the wrongdoing with the phoney dossier paid for by the opposition? Spying on an opposition campaign? Not telling that to the FISA judge is obstruction. The Deep State attempted coup of a duly elected POTUS has done more harm to our political system than Putin could ever dream of. This whole farce has been an investigation in search of a crime.

    Lying of the Deep State, yes. A recent poll finds Americans blame the media for the devisiveness more than they do Trump. You don't think Obama was devisive?
     
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    They are Capitalist organization, they have to blabber endlessly or the investors run and the profits tank. Seems the first amendment has protected the press up until now, despite the president, who seeks to undermine the institutions investigating him in order to invalidate their verdict with his voters.
     
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    If you are from Scotland, the UK should get it's own press freedom in order before you criticize us:

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/apr/26/uk-world-press-freedom-index-reporters-without-borders
     
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    It's just shirt, Silly!
     
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    Collusion with a foreign power to win an election is a crime actually, and you asking me to prove the unknown results of an ongoing investigation you are simultaneously trying to obstruct is insanity. Trump's team has been lying about everything, the people around Trump are talking and Cohen is openly campaigning against him. I'm interested in knowing all the facts, we don't know all the facts but we have knowledge of Russian efforts to infiltrate his campaign and so far we have no indication of the success or failure of that effort as no one involved is trustworthy.
     
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    Their 'verdict'? Mueller is a prosecutor, he doesn't hand out any verdicts. That's for an independent judge/jury to do, though it would be substantially easier for him to hand out verdicts, wouldn't it?

    And on the larger context of Russia writ large: I have no ambition of seeing Russia expand its territory. But I will not go to war for the European nations. I'd rather see neutrality in the larger Eurasia area, with no changes in the current territorial lands.
     
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    The Liberal media hit this guy 24 hours a day with over 90% negative news stories but when he fights back he assaults the press? The media has been found to be propagating so much fake news, the Liberal news leader (CNN) has dropped to 25 in the ratings under the cartoon network and Nickelodeon. Even Liberals are abandoning the network. You can't make this stuff up.

    When Trump distinguishes fake news as the enemy of the people the Liberal media loses their minds and says Trump is calling the media the enemy of the people and you come in here and parrot that information as assaulting the press. You don't realize everyone knows the truth?

    I see your comments on not knowing the contents of Trumps discussions with Putin but never once have I heard you complain about Obamas hot mic catch
    In 2012 where Obama was overheard telling President Dmitri Medvedev of Russia he would have "more flexibility" to negotiate with Putin after the election. Your ok with that.
     
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    We don't get to a verdict unless he does his job, or should we skip to the jury and line up a bunch of red hats to deliberate? We don't know if there is incriminating information on Trump, so this may be referred to Congress for Impeachment proceedings.

    You saying that you will not go to war for NATO allies fundamentally negates the treaty and achieves the Russian objective. It doesn't matter what you wish Europe was, you have to deal with the world as it is, and as it is, your position is enabling the rise of a new Russian Empire.
     
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    NO. Maybe you should ask George Bush why thats not a crime.
     
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    The only way to objectively report on the Trump administration is to be 90% negative, this is an absolute train wreck.
     
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    You understand that he was one those being investigated right ?

    You guys lost your minds when Bill Clinton even asked about what was happening during the Whitewater investigations, yet when Trump did it, your claiming he should have fired the guy for not producing it ? That IS textbook Obstruction.

    FTR, I think it was wrong in both cases. Those being investigated have no right to effect the investigation.
     
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    A 'Russian Empire' ROFL. Sorry Europeans, have to try harder. I don't fear the Russians. And the only thing 'Imperial' about them is their nuclear warhead arsenal. And no, it doesn't negate the treaty. The treaty is in response to an actual attack on European land space. And PS. If you're the aggressor, chapter 5 won't be invoked.

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