The "featureless" AR-15

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    foldable/collapsable stock makes the gun a lot easier to hide under a coat or sweater.

    pistol grip makes close-quarter shooting easier.
     
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    Again, how so Ron? Pistol grip only really does one thing but good money says you don't what that is. Here's a huge hint. It doesn't make close quarters shooting easier. If you've ever been around a mini it's not that big to begin with and I can modify a wooden stock in less than an hour. You have no idea of what you're talking about.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    its easier on the hand and more ergonomic, to use a pistol grip while holding a rifle at the waist.
     
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    Moot point as I was not referring to the Mini-14 Ranch.
     
  5. QLB

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    No Ron, it's not really. You're also not going to hit much holding a rifle at the waist. What it is...... is nice to hold your weapon if you need your other hand for something else like tossing a grenade. That's really it. If the weapon is short and low caliber like a sub gun you might get a small advantage.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, but I was
     
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    No Ron, it doesn't. You see a rifle has to be at least 26 inches long, otherwise it's an SBR, and that's an NFA weapon and a crime unless you have the paperwork.

    Good luck stuffing something 26 inches long down your shorts (that's what she said obligatory joke).

    A pistol grip does nothing. You don't shoot rifles from the hip, despite what you see in the movies.
     
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    The is black and the other is not.

    Whoops!

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    Which is an especially stupid claim as all of these features are available for the Mini-14.

    Pretending to be an authority yet again?
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and a Mini-14 with such features is considered an assault weapon

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    then why does it exist?
     
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    Told you Ron. A pistol grip enables you control your weapon better with one hand while using your other for something else.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nobody fires the AR-15, or any other rifle, one handed
     
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    Once again Ron, it enables you to control the weapon better with one hand while using the other for something else. It doesn't get any simpler than that. It's readily apparent with a heavy weapon like a shotgun.There's another reason to use a pistol grip on a precision rifle like the AI but I don't feel like getting into that right now. Besides you should know all of this with all college experience.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nobody fires a rifle, in a combat situation one-handed.
     
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    Ron, please. Nobody said anything about FIRING a weapon one handed, however I will tell that to my instructor who had us train to shoot a pump action shotgun one handed if we had to. I'm sure he will find it incredibly instructive if not amusing, especially with that college experience. Once again, a pistol grip enable you to better CONTROL the weapon with one hand, while using the other to do something else, like opening a door. What college did you go to?
     
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    WVU....
     
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    That's right Ron.

    Everything you've been sold on regarding pistol grips and heat shrouds from the gun control lobby is 100% false.
     
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    its called a "heat shield".

    and it does have a function.

    what you call "purely cosmetic features" actually have a real use.
     
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    It has been explained, countless times, that the heat shield on the AR-15 is in place to prevent deformation of the direct impingement gas tube, which is critical for the reliable functioning of the platform. It is of delicate construction, and if damaged, will inhibit the cycling of ammunition.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    barrel shroud protects your hand, not the gun.
     
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    The included diagrams shows that you are quite wrong.

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    barrel20assembly_390f69f0-6d60-4abe-ad7c-1a6cd6bb3a7c.jpg

    turnbull-manufacturing-tar-15-steel-receiver-ar-target-forend.jpg

    Or perhaps you do indeed possess far more knowledge than everyone else involved in the discussion. Explain for the benefit of everyone else involved how the direct impingement gas tube does not rely on the barrel shroud to prevent it from becoming dented or otherwise deformed.
     
  21. Ronstar

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    haha!!! i can show you lots of barrel shrouds that do not protect any sensitive parts of a rifle.

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    An AR-15 with a collapsible stock isn't nearly as small as a Mini-14 with a folding stock. Either way, they are nowhere close to being concealable in less than a trenchcoat, which post-Columbine are automatically viewed suspiciously. An AR-15 with a collapsible stock that is collapsed, and a 16 inch barrel (minimum legal length wiithout a lot of hassle) is 31 inches long, and probably 10-12 inches long in the next shortest direction. It's not a concealable gun by far. Banning AR15s with collapsible stocks because they are concealable is just stupid.
     
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    Actually, the opposite is true. Try this--at waist level, hold your hand vertically like it's holding a pistol grip, or at an angle like it's holding a conventional stock. The conventional stock is much more comfortable at waist level--your wrist is at a natural angle then, the pistol grip is much less comfortable. I tried this at home with a bolt action rifle and a pistol grip semi-auto. The conventional stock is much more comfortable at waist level.

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    In the case of the AR, it's designed to protect the gun.
     
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    Court houses are the only place I don't believe in private citizens holding firearms. (There is a possibility for violence here and you can not deny that)

    I do think court houses should have 4 armed guards inside the court, and 4 standing outside it. (The government has to be responsible for the safety of those inside)

    Everywhere else I think they should be allowed.
     
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    Courthouse? No. Courtroom? OK. Check it at the door. But only under state police power authority since there IS NOT a federal police power. Airport? Infingement. Police stations public areas in front? Infringement. The cage where they hold prisoners have detectives working etc? OK.

    Other than that penal institutions and the state house or federal house/s and that's it. Everywhere else that's public is fair game. Private is always up to the property owner and that would count to my mind to police entering upon invitation of the resident to search or just to talk. Warrants are a different story but I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) who you are if I say give me your gun to put in the safe while you're inside my home you do it or you don't come inside without something that can override my property rights, ie probable cause.
     

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