The Great October Socilist Revolution.

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  1. General Winter

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    Ninety four years ago, the Russian working class, led by Lenin's Bolshevik party, carried out the Great October Socialist Revolution, which has led to a creation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The world's first socialist state existed for over 70 years, demonstrating the amazing capabilities of the new social order. These seventy years have convincingly proved that socialism is possible, that a society without exploitation of man by man, without the humiliating division on the rich and the poor, masters and slaves is not utopia.

    These years for Russia were the time of the highest national recovery. Our country has achieved a military victory over fascism, in fact over the combined forces of Western imperialism, which was represented by Hitler, and became the main guarantor of the destruction of the world colonial system. The Soviet people rightfully felt themselves as citizens of the most advanced country, that brings peace, freedom and justice throughout our planet.

    Such an experience can not be forgotten, despite the efforts to slander it and to erase it from the minds of the people.The Great October Revolution and the Soviet Union are already immortal. The more trouble capitalism brings to humanity, the more it demonstrates inability to solve the problems facing humanity, the more it becomes entangled in its own contradictions - the more people will have to turn to the experience of the USSR .

    The spurt to socialism is necessary and, therefore, it is inevitable. But this spurt will not be easy.Imperialism built a seemingly impregnable defensive fortifications.It has learned to manipulate the instruments of democracy,by making them almost harmless to itself, it has created a powerful military and repressive machine and a huge industry of moronization the people.It has established a division not only between classes,but between nations and continents, having forced the workers of the richest countries to identify with their own bourgeoisie in pillaging and enslaving of the poor countries.It has destroyed the social sciences, having made them an apology. It has corrupted and prostituted practically all human activities.

    A very few people beleave now in socialism.Fortresses that protect the existing order seem to be impregnable.

    The principles of the future communist society, the relations which will be formed between people are so different from the "normal", "natural" capitalist principles and relationships, that the Communists are involuntarily perceived as cranks, utopians, dreamers, idealists.Indeed, how can they call for the abolition of the existing for thousands years of yhe institution of private property, which is so close and understandable to everyone, even to those who do not have any private property. After all, if you do not have it, you can dream about it at least. And if the Communists will come, everything will be taken away and you'll have nothing to dream about.

    The opponents of communism also like to talk that the human been is originally bad, wicked, and therefore the communist society with its principles of human brotherhood and solidarity is impossible.People who argue in this way think very badly of humanity, which in itself is very typical of capitalism.They beleaved more in the human been under the previous social class formations than under the era of the victorious bourgeois cynicism.

    Meanwhile,a long ago was scientifically proven the fact that in the primitive communist society, people didn't know many vices of civilization,and treated each other as brothers do.These data obtained by studying the life history backward tribes and widely known. There is also the experience of building socialism in the USSR.The Soviet people in the mass were different from us of today.Those who try to deny the special atmosphere uf the Soviet brotherhood, saying that there was nothing in that kind - lie.There is a lot of evidence of the reality of the human brotherhood in the Soviet Union. Remember at least amazing realistic at the same time humane Soviet movies.We can conclude that the person is ready to stop being a wolf to another man, when he has a chanse for it. Hence, the existing human depravity is not his natural essence, but the need imposed on him by the class society.

    In addition, all these evils brought up by capitalism are not insurmountable hindrance for the first steps in the communist way - quite the contrary,they can help the cause.In fact as a result of the introduction of socialism most of the population will receive the obvious material gain. And not only citizens in Africa, Asia or Latin America, but comparative well-fed citizens of the United States and the European Union.

    When socialism will win over large areas, the centrally planned production and consumption, the rational use of resources and of the existing productive forces will quickly solve the problems of hunger and poverty, unemployment, and thus will save people from permanent stress and depression.

    The ecological catastrophe, the economic crisis wich is able to turn in the poor millions of people around the world, fast-growing aggressiveness of the imperialist powers who habitually view the war as one of the chief, and under current circumstances, perhaps the only instrument,suitable for overcoming the crisis.Mankind is under threat. These are not fluent phrases, but the reality. A threat is in the existing capitalist social relations, which must be replaced by all means.

    Here communism is clearly appears as not a destroyer and a harbinger of a great upheaval, as it is often opponents try to present it to intimidate the everymen, but as the saving and protective power.
     
  2. BleedingHeadKen

    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, have you come up with an answer to the economic calculation problem that doesn't involve killing ("reeducating") everyone who doesn't fit model of the 5 year plans in your command economy?
     
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    ok


    So if it was so great, why did it collapse back to capitalism?

    How come the description of the USSR being socialist does not tally with what Lenin or Marx said?

    er hold on. The Stalinists in Germany formed an alliance with the Nazis in 1931, they refused to work with the Social Democrats, and their mistakes, which Trotsky said "will finally enter into the textbooks of revolutionary strategy as an example of what should not be done" allowed the Nazi into power.



    garbage.


    You mean dead and buried. No, the October revolution was fine, it just went tits up after 1924.


    And learn why it degenerated in the mid 1920s into a grotesque dictatorship

    er, ok...

    I dunno, about 25% of the people in the world want to scrap capitalism.


    Trying to. Up to 1924 or so. Socialism never happened. Deal with it. Be thankful that the horrendous Stalinist regime was not what socialism has to offer, but was in fact a political counter-revolution to STOP socialism.

    Was this when you could get your neighbour shot, and tens of thousands of socialists were sent to Siberia?

    [​IMG]

    google books



    Yeah keep on dude. You are really gonna sell socialism to the masses by banging on about Stalinist USSR.
     
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    Some information for reflection for those who have a brain:

    Sixty-one percent of Romanians want communism

    The Romanian market research company CSOP and the Institute for the Investigation of Communist Crimes and the Memory of Romanian Exiles conducted a poll in recent months that discovered that 61 percent of Romanians consider communism to be a good idea at present. This is an increase from 53 percent four years ago. Half of the respondents said life was better in their country before 1989.

    Only 27 percent of those interviewed said communism was a bad idea, which is a decrease from 34 percent four years ago. Fourteen percent of respondents felt that communism is a good idea that was applied well in Romania, while 47 percent felt it is a good idea that was applied poorly in Romania.

    The main reasons people said life was better under the previous system were that everyone was employed, the living standards were decent, and housing was guaranteed. These numbers are indicative of growing class consciousness as capitalism fails to meet the needs of Romanian workers.


    http://www2.pslweb.org/site/News2/2...md=articles&page=NewsArticle&id=14658&start=1

    Three-quarters of Germans are willing to live under socialism

    80 percent of East Germans and 72 percent of respondents in the west said that they could well live in a socialist state, such as the GDR, if they will be guaranteed job,safety and social security.

    http://lenta.ru/news/2010/03/15/sozialismus/
     
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    answer my points. I dont think you are a hardened Stalinist. I guess you are just fairly new to all this. Am I right?
     
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    Well General Winter, I see you continue to live in Fantasyland. There are, have been and will never be "classless societies" than can exist without strong, and always corrupt central leadership. The latest examples of "true" communism, Albania and North Korea show that the absence of capitalism and incentives to work end in grinding poverty for the majority.

    The history of the Soviet Union is so awful and violent, that it can only be put in a positive light by a madman. Compared to other great communist leaders, Lenin does seen to be rather benevolent, having only killed a relative few thousand enemies in his "Reign of Terror". How can you wave the flag of the CCCP when under leaders like Stalin, it has even a worse record than Nazi Germany?

    Tell me, before 1941, how was the Soviet Union on any higher moral ground than Germany? Please include:

    Mass killing during the Revolutions

    Genocide of 12 million Ukranians

    Great Purge

    Land Grabs in Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Bessarabia, Bukovina

    Attack on Finland

    Invasion of Poland in 1939---given a "free pass" by historians

    Also tell me of one country, that's even one country in Africa that has been led by ultra leftists, or communists that has resulted in general prosperity for the working class?
     
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    This just shows how crap life is for older people in the former 'communist' countries. If it was real communism it would never have collapsed back to capitalism.
     
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    Another retarded post I could spend all day debunking. But I cant be arsed. At least you get one bit right

    "How can you wave the flag of the CCCP when under leaders like Stalin, it has even a worse record than Nazi Germany?"

    Dunno about worse, hard to distinguish which was worse, but you are right that it was terrible.

    "Lenin does seen to be rather benevolent, having only killed a relative few thousand enemies in his "Reign of Terror""

    At least you are somewhat factual and honest here. Yes a few thousand got shot under Lenin. The Red Terror was simply the government fighting for the defence of the revolution in a civil war started by the pro-capitalist Whites.

    Something else to ponder on. Lenin was trying to establish a peace deal with Germany. Remember he inherited WW1, in which 3 million Russian had already died. All the other parties wanted to continue the war.

    In the summer of 1918 they held the 4th Congress of soviets. The Left SR party walked out of government. they were the main coalition partners. They walked out in protest at the peace deal and went on to try to sabotage it, for example assassinating the German ambassador.

    They also shot some people for leading pogroms. 200,000 Jews were killed in these. The Bolsheviks were hard on the perps.
     
  9. General Winter

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    The era of Stalin. Just the facts. (#)

    1. Population


    a) The number of Russian ( Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians) during Stalin's rule has increased by an average of 1,3-1,5 million a year.
    1926 - 113,7 million (146,6 million - the total population of the USSR)
    1939 - 133 million (170.6 million)
    1959 - 159,3 million (208,8 million)
    To compare: during the Yeltsin era the number of Russian in Russia decreased by 6.8 million people, during Putin's rule - on 6,4 million people.

    b) The overall mortality rate in Russia under Stalin declined almost 3 times (10.1 per 1 thousand inh. in 1950, compared with 29.1 in 1913). At the same time, fertility has declined and in 1950 (26.9 per 1 thousand inh. In 1950 and 45.5 - in 1913), which is associated with the effects of war, the increasing number of elderly, urban population growth, the integration of women the sphere of production. However, the natural population growth, even increased slightly and amounted in 1950, 16.8 per. 1000 inh. (16.4 - 1913).

    c) The infant mortality rate was in 1913 - 268.6 per 1000 births, in 1950 - already 81 per 1000. The average number of children born to a woman who in 1950 was 2.89 in 2006 - 1,38.

    d) Under Stalin, the consumption of alcohol was more than 2 times less (a maximum of 1.9 liters of pure alcohol nd year - 1952) than in Tsarist Russia in 1914 - 4,7 l. and more than 10 times smaller than today (20-25 liters). Russia leads the scale of child alcoholism.
    Ther was no addiction under Stalin, because there was no drug mafia. For 20 last years the number of addicts has increased more than 10 times and now according to the Federal Service for drug control, amounts to 5,1 million people. Russia is one of the leaders on the extent of child abuse.

    e) Prostitution under Stalin was seen as a form of a parasitic existence, and its organized forms were completely destroyed. And now Russia has one of the first places on the scale of prostitution, child prostitution, sexual assault, sex-slave trade.

    f) Immediately after the war, in 1945, there were 678 thousand orphans. Today in Russia, 850 thousand of these children.

    g) In 1956 the rate on personal incomes was 3.28, and in 1986 - 3,38,it rose from 13,8 (199 to 16,8 times (2007 g .).

    h) 79% of population of Russian Empire were illiterate (according to 1897 census), they could not even read nor write. Under Stalin, illiteracy has been eliminated. Literacy rate rose to 89,1% (1932).
    Elementary schools (in brackets - students): 1914 - 106 thousand (5.4 million) 1940 - 192 thousand
    Middle School (students): 1914 - 4000 1940 - 65000 (13 million)
    Universities and technical colleges: 1914 - 400, 1940 - 4600


    2.Economy.

    a) National income per capita of the USSR amounted to ($ in 1980 prices):
    1913 - 350 (15% of the U.S. level)
    1920 - 120 (5%)
    1929 - 365 (13%)
    1938 - 640 (24%)
    1950 - 1100 (26%)
    in 1987 - 3900 (57% of the U.S. level)

    b)Total volume of industrial output per capita over 1913-1950 gg. in the USSR increased by 4 times. The share of world industrial output in the USSR:
    1913 - 3,6%
    1920 - 0,6%
    1938 - 5,6%
    1950 - 6,9%
    1986 - 14,6%
    In 2007, Russia's share in world GDP - 3,2%.

    b) Gold reserve.
    In July 16, 1914, there were approximately 1,240 tons of gold in the storerooms of the State Bank of Russia ,more about 110 tons of stored abroard - therfore, 1350 tons in total.
    By the end of Stalin's rule in 1953 the gold reserve has increased in 6,5 times and reached 2050 tons
    On the eve of perestroika in 1985 ash reserves of the USSR was about 2500 tons, but by 1991 dropped to 10 times!
    Gold deposits in the state reserve of Russia on 01.12.2008 is about 445 tons

    c) Unemployment in the USSR was abolished in 1933.

    d) The real income of workers in 1940 increased in compared with 1913 by 2,7 times, peasants - in 2,4 times.

    e) The USSR was the first of the States of the world wich abolished the rationing system in 1947. And since 1948 every year - until 1954 - there was a price reduction. For example, here is the ratio of price levels as of 1.01.51, the the price of 1.01.46, the: bread (39%), meat (42%)

    f) The number of doctors in 1950 increased compared with 1940 by 1,5 times.
    The number of scientific workers in 1950 increased compared with 1940 by 1,5 times.
    The number of scientific institutions in 1950 increased by 40% compared with 1940
    The number of university students in 1950 increased by 50% compared with 1940

    g)Atomic Bomb United States created in 1945 and tested it on the inhabitants of the Japanese cities. We made an atomic bomb in 1949, the U.S. tested a hydrogen bomb in 1952, we did it in 1953.

    h) In 1946, the USSR were also deployed to work:
    1) air defence;
    2) missile technology;
    3) for automation of technological processes;
    4) to introduce the latest computer technology (in 1950 created the first computer);
    5) for space flight (in 1957, we launched into space the world's first satellite in 1961 - the first person);
    6) on the gasification of the country;
    7) for household appliances, etc.


    3. The war and the army.

    a) There were 4,9018 millions of personell in the Red army at the begining of the war in 1941. Ther were mobilizide during the war 29,5749 millions.The total number is : 34,4767 millions.

    Irreversible loss of the Soviet armed forces
    Killed or died of wounds at stages of evacuation - 5226.8 millions. Died of wounds in hospitals - 1,1028 millions. Died of disease, deaths due to accidents, condemned to death (non-combat losses) - 555.5 thosands. POWs and missed - 4,559 millions.Total irrecoverable losses - 11,4441 millions (33.2% of total Num. troops)
    - Have returned from captivity - 1,836 millions (40% of captured)
    Total irrecoverable loss of population - 8668.4 millions (25.1% of total Num. Troops)

    Ther were brought into the armed forces of Germany during the WW2 21,107 millions.

    Irreversible loss of Germany's armed forces and the army's allies on the Soviet-front from 22/6/1941 till 9/5/1945 g. (thousand):
    Killed, died of wounds and disease, missing, non-combat losses - 4273.0 Captured - 4,376.3 Total irrecoverable losses - 8649.3
    ( German losses - 7181.1 (34.0% of the total forces of Germany))
    - Have returned from captivity - 3572.6 (82% of captured)
    Total irrecoverable loss of population - 5076.7
    (including Germany - 4270.7 (20.2% of total Num. forces))

    As can be seen, and irretrievable loss of troops in Germany and its allies were too huge (8.6 million people.)
    Value deadweight losses of troops of the USSR and Germany (with allies)
    Irreversible loss: 1,32:1
    Irreversible demographic losses: 1,71:1
    The difference can be explained by the fact that the number of Soviet POWs returned from Nazi captivity is 2 times less than the number of returned from Soviet captivity Nazi personnels (40% vs. 82%).

    b)During the WWII deserted 588.7 thousand (1.7% of the total number of troops). For comparison, during the WW1 deserted 1865.0 thousand (12.1% of the total number of troops) - 7 times more!

    c)There were 427 910 people sent to batalions and companies of militaey offenders during the war. On the other hand, the total number of the Red Army was 34 4767 thousand people. It turns out that the proportion of military personnel have been in penal companies and battalions is only 1,24%. Losses of personnel of these units were 52% of the average of their numbers (27326 people).. This is 3-6 times greater than the overall average monthly losses of personnel in the conventional forces in the same offensive operations in 1944.

    4.Crimes and prisoners.


    a)According to Khruschov official report during the period from 1921 to early 1954 for counterrevolutionary and other especially dangerous crimes against the state was sentenced to death 642,980 people to prison - 2,369,220, to exile and expulsion - 765,180 (this amount: 3.777.380 inhabitants ).
    For other archival documents the number of convicts for the anti-revolutionary and other especially dangerous crimes against the state for the period from 1921 to 1953. are:
    - The highest measure - 799455
    - The camps, colonies and prisons - 2634397
    - Link and expulsion - 413512
    - Other measures - 215942
    Total convicted - 4060306

    b)The composition of the prison to the Gulag for example, the 01/01/1951 convicted of counter-revolutionary and extremely dangerous gos.prestupleniya was 23% (most common story is: treason, participation in the anti-Soviet conspiracies, anti-Soviet propaganda, espionage, sabotage, etc.) others - criminals.

    c) Mortality of Gulag prisoners (average): 1931-1940 gg. - 5,1%, 1941-1945. - 12,7%, 1946-1952. - 1,7%.
    Number of all prisoners, both located in all places of detention (prisons, camps, colonies, etc.) on average for the years 1935-1953. 2 million people (1.13% of population)
    For comparison:
    In Russia, on November 1, 2008 in facilities in places of deprivation of liberty contained 0,9 million (0.64% of the population). In the United States at the beginning of 2008 prisoners were 2,3 million people. (0.77% of the population).

    d) The proportion of acquittals in the 1937-1953 . in the USSR was 9-10%.
    For comparison:
    In 2007, according to the Justice Department under the Supreme Court of Russia acquittal rate was 0,8%, caught in the dock (in Moscow - 0,3%). In the U.S., the acquittal rate - 17-25%.

    e)There were 10,3 thousand cases of murder in the USSR in 1946(in 1940 - 6,5 thousand).In 2007 there were 2 times more murders than in the first postwar year - 22,2 thousand.
     
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    5.Starvation.


    a)History of Russia is a long series of hungry years with the steady intensification of crop failures and famine until the XX century. It's a fact that crop failures in Russia are repeated every 6-7 years, lasting for two years. During the second half of the XIX century the most terrible starvation were in 1873, 1880, 1883, 1891, 1892, 1897 and 1898,in the XX century they were in 1901, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1911 and 1913.

    b) in 1921-1922. under the threat of famine and epidemics there were 23 provinces with a population of 32 million people. Yes, there was a starvation, but the Soviet government organized the fight against this scourge. There were collected 120 million pounds of bread. 5,053 million people migrated from the starving areas. Anticommunist liers presents them as clearly died of hunger. But most of all lying is around the so-called "Holodomor".

    c) Anticommies proclaim that Bolsheviks confiscated all the grain of the poor peasants and they have begun to starve. In fact, grain reserves, for example in Ukraine, in 1932 were lower than in 1931, when there was no hunger. In 1930, the volume of grain in Ukraine amounted to 6.92 million tons (30% of gross output) in 1931 - 7.39 million tons (40%), and in 1932 - 4.28 (29%).

    The losses of population in Ukraine in 1932-1933 associated with hunger,were about 2 million people.
    Of course, it is a lot of hindsight. But let's say, in the U.S. the Great Depression of 1929-1933 with its 15-million army of unemployed led to population losses of about 7 million people.

    And let's remember the fact:the starvation of 1932 was the last starvation in Russian history - socialism abolished this terrible occurrence.
     
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    I think you just killed your thread.
     
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    Another Holodomor denier. Shame on you.

    Your facts and figures are quite debatable. The quality of life in Russia for the average person during the reign of Stalin was so pathetic in comparison to the rest of the Western world that I am amazed you would even bring it up.

    As far as "justice" in the Soviet Union during the WW2 era is concerned, of the incredible multitude of war crimes commited by the Soviets, how many were brought to trial? I think the number is about zero.
     
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    It was so much better in the tsarist times, people lived so good.
     
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    Who was the greater military genius, Stalin or Czar Nick the II? Let's see, they both sent millions into the meat grinder with horrific leadership and planning. Both get an F.

    As far as living conditions, both were failures at Human Civilization 101. I guess Commie Lovers really don't know how bad they have it compared to the Western world.

    I would think of something more supportive of communism than "at least things were better than under the Tsar." The only worse leader than Stalin was probably Monster Mao ZuDung.
     
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    neither Mao nor Stalin were communists
     
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    As more Russians are speaking about "how great it was to have uncle Joe in power and stuff" as more I realize how far Russia from the modern world.

    Those guys don't care about millions and millions of people but they care that country was" growing in figures". It means they prove that they can't work and build their own country unless Stalin-kind maniac will force them too. It's ridicules. This people are lazy and they wait until someone comes and start shooting them until they start to work :) So weird. So Russian ...

    added:

    Russians have a talk about St.Petersburg ( built by Peter The Great ) - City on bones ( which means millions of persons dies in swamps while Peter was building his pro-western city ). Well, I'd say the same about Russia - Country is built on the bones. And as more Russians be missing Communism as longer it takes for them to become civilized.
     
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    Our old Soviet proverb "Mouse moan and cry from pricks, but continues to eat cactus"
     
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    By and large there are only two ideologies in the world.

    The first one proclaims:all people are created equal.

    The second one : people are not created equal.And it follows from this statement that there are "higher" and "lower" people and "higher" can solve their problems at the expense of "lower" ones.

    I'm always amazed how the supporters of the second ideology dare to moralize when their own basis is is immoral in its essence?If to remember this fact it's even no need to consider their arguments.
     
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    Yes,the only one was Trotsky who failed everywhere and in 100% of cases.
     
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    And in Russia there was a privileged elite.


    from a UK history exam site:


    "Assessment of Trotsky:

    Trotsky was VITALLY important throughout the Russian Revolution:



    1. Trotsky was one of the main thinkers behind the Communists

    He had become a workers’ leader aged only 20, and in 1900 was exiled. He spent most of the next 17 years abroad – apart from 1905, when he came back and became the Chairman of the St Petersburg Soviet during the 1905 revolution. During his years of exile:

    · He was editor of Pravda (Truth) – the main Communist newspaper. He also wrote in other Communist newspapers. He helped to form what Communists believed.

    · He attacked the war in his book ‘War and the International’ (1914), setting out the ideas for Communist foreign policy – World Revolution and the spread of Communism to other countries.



    2. Trotsky organised the November Revolution, 1917

    Lenin did not like Trotsky, but Trotsky was so important that he was forced to work with him Trotsky became Chairman of the Military Revolutionary Committee – ie leader of the Bolshevik Red Guards. As such, it was Trotsky who organised the November Revolution and carried it out.

    After the Revolution, Trotsky became a member of the Politburo – the committee of 5 Bolsheviks who ran the government.



    3. Trotsky organised the peace Treaty of Brest-Litovsk

    After the November Revolution, Lenin made Trotsky Commissar for Foreign Affairs.

    Trotsky did not conduct foreign affairs in the old way. He was very blunt – he closed down the French Information Bureau because of its anti-Soviet propaganda, and arrested all Englishmen in Russia until the English released a Soviet journalist they had detained.

    The Politburo decided that they had to have peace with Germany, and ordered a ceasefire Nov 7. Trotsky had to accept the very harsh terms of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk – but then he told the Germans that he would destroy them just as soon as Germany lost the war!



    4. Trotsky organised the Terror

    Actually, Trotsky opposed Terror – he said: ‘We have not organised the revolution to kill’. But there were so many groups trying to destroy the Bolsheviks that, on 20 Dec 1917, Lenin created the ‘Extraordinary Commission for the Suppression of the Counter-Revolution’ (the Cheka) = a secret police force. Trotsky was put in charge, and began mercilessly to eliminate all enemies of the Revolution.



    5. Trotsky won the Civil War

    When the ‘Whites’ attacked the Bolsheviks and started the Civil War, Lenin made Trotsky Commissar for War, and President of the Supreme War Council. As such, he won the Civil War virtually single-handed:

    · He declared: ‘War is the instrument of policy’.

    · He rebuilt the Russian army based on the Red Guards.

    · He raised troops – increasing numbers from 7,000 in March 1918 to 5 million in Sep 1920.

    · He recruited and trained the army officers which was VERY difficult – remember that most officers supported the Whites

    · He organised the supplies of weapons and food to the army.

    · When the Kronstadt sailors revolted in Mar 1921, Trotsky forced the Red Guards to attack across the melting ice, and ruthlessly put down the revolt.



    6. Trotsky thought up the New Economic Policy

    Trotsky had realised long before 1921 that the Russians were starving and that eventually they would turn against the Bolsheviks – so he proposed a New Economic Policy to let them have a little prosperity. At first everyone opposed him, but the Kronstadt rebellion made them see that he was right – Lenin brought in the NEP in 1921.



    7. Trotsky was used to give Stalin power

    After Lenin’s death, Trotsky lost the battle with Stalin to take over power. He was exiled in 1929 and murdered in 1940. During all that time, he wrote books (esp. the History of the Russian Revolution) attacking Stalin. Stalin’s propaganda machine used Trotsky as a focus for its propaganda, denouncing him as the fount of all evil."


    http://www.johndclare.net/Russ_LeninandTrotsky.htm

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    from the same site

    "Assessment of Lenin:

    1. He was a great revolutionary thinker. He was editor of the Communist newspaper Iskra (1900-), and founder of the Bolsheviks (London Conference 1903, when the Russian Communist Party split in two).

    2. He persevered – for years he led the Bolsheviks from exile in Switzerland.

    3. He was an opportunist – in 1917 he persuaded the Germans to give him money to go back to Russia and organise a revolution.

    4. He was a figurehead – he returned to St Petersburg in 1917 (at the Finland Station) and immediately became the Bolshevik leader. His slogan ‘Peace, Bread, Land’ won thousands of supporters.

    5. He was the controller – it was Trotsky who organised the Red Guards and planned the November Revolution, but it was Lenin who put him in that position! Trotsky never questioned Lenin’s leadership (which has to say something).

    6. He was ruthless – he formed the Assembly in 1917, but when it returned a majority of Social Revolutionaries (not Bolsheviks) he simply abolished it and declared the ‘dictatorship of the Proletariat’ and the one-party state. When there was opposition, he created the Cheka. When there was Civil War he brought in War Communism and shot strikers.

    7. He was visionary – think of all the things he set up in the Bolshevik State (see http://www.johndclare.net/Russ6.htm).

    8. He was flexible – when the Kronstadt sailors rebelled, he had the sense to relax War Communism and bring in the NEP."
     
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    Mr. punk ,can you write something by yourself ? All these huge creations surely you have cribbed from a trot's source,beleaving that the quantity can replace the quality.It can't,dude.All this scribble costs nothing for it is completely brainless.
     
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    The source was a revision site for the UK GSCE history exam.

    Listen dude, I have thrashed hardened Stalinists, and I'm not sure you are one, so you have no chance.
     
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    It seems that I have no chace even to make you sure that 2x2=4 and no one have the chance.But I can talk with you just for a joke.For example,tell me something about the deformed feudal states.Can you name a few?
     
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    tell me, did Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky and Luxemburg all say socialism was highly democratic, internationalist, and would be impossible in a backward country in isolation?

    Yes or no. Did they all say that? I say that they did. Therefore, none of them would define the USSR as socialist.

    A feudal state was not something consciously worked for by a mass of people with a theory and revolutionary organisations, it was what evolved after the Roman Empire collapsed in Europe, a few hundred years later actually, around 1200. I can give you an example of a deformed capitalist state I suppose - fascist Germany and Italy etc, if you wanna define capitalism as basically bourgeois democracy in advanced countries.

    Tell me, what was the original name of the Bolshevik party?
     

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