The Greens a party Australia can do without.

Quite a large number of others, in fact.

 

I agree Dumb. They are a marginal political source, they were designed to crumb around the edges of mainstream politics. There main voters are upper middle class city dwellers who are relatively unaffected by the ebb and flow of real life that most of us endure on a daily basis. So all the warm and fuzzy policies they come up with out of Wonderland seem viable to these ignoramouses. However it would cost the real people of Australia quite a bit.

However if it wasnt for the poor performances of the two major parties the Greens and Katters of this political spectrum would be what the should be ............. marginal. The ineptitude of the two big parties have voters disenfranchised and that quite simply puts votes in their bins. The protest vote !

Bad policy or not these parties are in themselves designed to limit the duopoly............for this we need them.

 

What a silly ill informed statement. I grew up in a rural farming community, and whilst most did things out of ignorance and ill informed information, farmers, hunters, fishermen and miners have been raping, robbing and destroying our country for hundreds of years. Greens are not some new force, not some political movement to take over your world, just one that wants you to have a world, and for your children and grandchildren.

They are different, I will give you that, but the same old same old will destroy us, new, different is good

 

Green groups in the past have been responsible for saving thousands of acres of bushland and green areas around Sydney if it was left to greedy land developers our cities would be giant concrete blocks of housing, the country side would be devoid of trees and wildlife, preferring open cuts and oil wells. It was "greens" who have stopped millions of toxic chemicals being poured into our rivers and oceans.

Without people like "the greens" our country would long ago have become totally unlivable.

Your just jealous that they have something you don't, foresight. GUTS, strength of conviction.

 

You have missed the point again. Good farmers, hunters, fishermen and miners, are at the forefront of real conservation. These people actually ENACT environmental measures, they have vested interested in sustainable practices. Farmers, hunters, fishermen and miners have moved with the times, they readily accept eccologically conservative measures and updated inteligence, they actually do more positive work than the greens.

You may not be able to see the simple fact, but the greens don`t actually do anything for the environment. The greens have found a soft ride just nagging other people, living OFF the environment, spending other people`s money without taking any personal responsibility, or risk, to themselves. The greens provide zero products, which doesn`t give them any credability.

As always in live, there are doers and dreamers, the greens are soft dreamers.

 

Oh then how do you explain this one,

I think you'll find that farmers, fisherman etc etc have gown with the times.



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There is a difference between saving an animal species resource for the future benefit of other humans & simply locking up old growth forests just because you can where tree harvesting had coexisted for many generations with wildlife & plant diversity. The greens believe in taking no prisoners, they are not a party of balance.

 

On what planet do you live?
The majority of those groups mentioned have only one goal, maximise their profits.
And thanks to our Libs/Nationals here in WA, we will get GM food rather sooner then later. And all for the profittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Plain disgusting. You know what's wrong with the Libs and Nationals?
They show the same mindset people displayed some two hundred years ago....They just haven't moved on,
They (*)(*)(*)(*) up ouir planet, just to gain another buck....
regards

 

When it comes to money, unless there are regulations people will go to any extent and any costs, especially if it doesn't affect them in the here and now. We as humans in the western world regulate each other through laws, or try to anyway. Without them we would have total anarchy. Humans with excessive tendancies, cannot stop without being stopped. You would be naive to think any other way. We have lost respect and value for heritage. There have to be other mechanisms for survival, other than our destruction of ancient sites. These old growth forests only apparently end as wood chip....Hell no! They've got to be worth more than that alive!!!!

 

I dont see anyone but farmers and the people in and around the towns where coal seam gas mining is going on complaining.

Where are the greens, the water table is being polluted, gass is seeping out of water holes, salanity etc etc

Who are the people opposing big business on this issue?

Farmers, fisherman etc etc.

I haven't heard any greens going hammer and tongs trying to put a stop to this!

 

The Greens are (or might have already) to introduce a bill that requires farmer's/land holders express written permission before a mining company can explore for, or extract, coal seam gas.

Christine Milne, and other Greens have opposed coal seam gas for awhile, she was talking about this on Q and A just this week.

 

You would think that they being the"greens" would have their bells and whisltes on about this subject.

I haven't really heard anything, and i missed Q&A this week.

 

Milne has made at least one speech about it in the senate, various greens people have done interviews about it in the media, they introduced a bill to make some report that was done about coal seam gas awhile ago by the government public, they're introducing this bill that gives farmers the upper hand in any negotiations and presumptive rights over what happens on their land, seems that you are just determined to be negative about them.

 

The old growth forest near me was being logged for timber & firewood (the worlds first solar energy fuel) on a sustainable basis before Bob Car threw the local stake holders submission (to preserve some of the forest for timber production) in the bin & gave the entire forest to the greens for a national park.

 

This bill is still waiting to enter the house, believe. I have heard it and I know it may have some support from the Liberal coalition. But with Gillards words that apparently nobody owns the resources, this bill may go down. Either the Gillard will have to eat her words or the bill will be passed in government opposition. I just wonder if it will be held up to try and distance Gillards words from the vote on this Bill.

We can only wait and see, I guess.

 

How do you suggest "sustainable" when these things take decades and beyond to grow, not to mention the amount of co2 they suck out of the atmosphere. Some of these old growth forests have been around BC.

 

cut it at a rate so by the time youve cut everything the first stuff u cut is ready to harvest again. wood products hold co2 in them, it is not immediatley released the second the tree hits the ground. old growth forest is a mixture of old and young trees.

 

Can loggers be trusted to maintain this rate without intervention when there is a quick buck to be made. I think not! You would have to be gullible to think otherwise.

 

What Grrrrrrr said was absolutely correct & it was not a matter of trust but monitoring/supervision by state forest staff.

 

If it is truly sustainable without implications for the immediate environment then I yield!

 

Not everyone is as dishonest & under handed as the greenies. I remember their campaign to kill the loging industry on Fraser Island. They ran a lying TV advert, depicting clear felled scenes, that wern`t even Fraser Island. They accused the loggers of clear felling, which was an outright lie. Fraser Island had been selectively cleared for 130 years, and you couldn`t see where the loggers had been. Filthy lowlife lying scum.