Hello all, I just want to throw out a plan that I think may. Please reply with your thoughts. Thanks, 1. Secure the U.S. Southern Border: A fence(s) and/or wall(s) will be erected one behind the other with a no-go zone in between. The fence(s) could possibly be electrified. New and improved surveillance technologies will be incorporated along with a significant increase in Border Patrol Agents. Most importantly we will use various ways to secure Low Cost labor to construct the wall. a. Implement a voluntary labor force consisting of Illegal Immigrants that are currently incarcerated in the U.S. These volunteers must be NON-violent criminals. In return the volunteers will be given time off their sentences in an equal amount of time they worked on the border wall/fence. Once their sentence is complete they will be deported. b. ALL future Illegal Immigrants caught crossing the border will be faced with a MANDATORY 2-year sentence of working on the Border Wall, then deported. c. Additional Labor will in the recruitment of unemployed Veterans and high risk African Americans living in the cities. 2. Issue a National ID Card for EVERYONE in the U.S. over the age of 5: The ID cards will need to be presented to: Open a Bank Account, Cash or Deposit Checks, Wire Transfer Money out of the U.S., Receive Welfare/Food Stamps/Subsidized Healthcare or any other Public/Governmental Support, Obtain a Drivers License, and Vote. Bottom Line:NO MORE FREE HANDOUTS to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS The BILLIONS of Dollars in savings will be utilized to fund programs such as the construction of the U.S. Southern Border Wall and to implement a program similar to the WPA program that helped the U.S. out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. The WPA type program would be further funded by a significant cutback in Foreign Aid. The countries that would see the greatest reduction in Foreign Aid would be those countries that do NOT support our American Ideology and those countries that have so much corruption it is nearly impossible to verify if the aid the U.S. provides actually ends up being used for the purpose it was intended. 3. Start Enforcing ALL U.S. Immigration Laws 100% and INCREASE the Penalties for Illegal Immigration Crimes: The NEW Penalty for a First Time offender will be a MANDATORY TWO Year sentence to help build the Wall/Fence on the Southern U.S. Border. Any Repeat Offenders will be sentenced to a MANDATORY FIVE Year sentence working on U.S. Infrastructure projects to be determined at a later date. At the end of their sentences, ALL Illegals will be deported with ZERO chance of returning to the U.S. legally in the future. 4. Implement a E-verify System for Employer Hiring: ALL prospective employees MUST be in the National Database as being verified as Employable with Legal Status prior to being allowed to be employed in the U.S. This system will work hand in hand with the data-base generated by the implementation of the National ID card program. A whistle blower program will be initiated to will reward U.S. citizens reporting employers hiring Illegal Immigrants or those employers paying employees in cash to avoid the e-verify system and paying payroll taxes. 5. Increase the Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants that are not E-verified and/or for Paying Employees in Cash. Currently a First Offense of a business entity or person that employs an Illegal Alien is a Minimum of only $375 for each worker. I would suggest this amount be increased to Minimum of $1000 per worker then eventually raised to $5000 per person once the e-verify system and National ID card programs are fully operational. 6. Elimination of Sanctuary Cities: Any city that does not 100% enforce the Immigration Laws of the U.S. will NOT receive any Federal Funding. Additionally any person in the city government or judicial system is found of NOT enforcing the laws will be personally held accountable and prosecuted with the minimum sentence being a 2 YEAR sentence of working on the border wall/fencing or other infrastructure projects at the discretion of the Federal Government. 7. Implement a Time Limit on ALL Current & Future Green Card Holders: Green Card holders must apply for citizenship within 3 years of arriving in U.S. or they must return to their country of origin at their own expense. The goal is that every person that comes to the U.S. must want to become a productive part of U.S. society the same way the Legal Immigrants that arrived in the U.S. during the industrial revolution. Important side note: ALL Citizenship tests are to be given in English only. If requested the U.S. will offer FREE English Language education to Legal Immigrants. 8. The Handling of Anchor Babies: The anchor babies WILL continue to be U.S. citizens; however their Illegal Immigrant parent(s) will be deported. If BOTH of the parents are Illegal Immigrants the parents will be given the option to take their child/children with them or leave the Anchor Baby in the U.S. with friends or any Legal Immigrant family member. In the event that one of the parents is a U.S. Citizen the NON-Legal parent may possibly be fast-tracked to citizenship per the outline mentioned in Item 10 below. 9. Implement a Program Tracking ALL Outgoing Money Transfers from the U.S.: The data will be cross checked with the IRS to verify the transfer source came from legal income. Anything Red Flagged as being out of the norm will be investigated. Additionally the payroll records of those sending money will be cross checked to ensure the money that is being sent to a location outside the U.S. was rightfully earned and not derived from Under the Table employment. 10. Implement a Fast-track to Citizenship for the Good Ones when referring to Illegal Immigrants and Streamline the Deportation Process of the Bad Ones. One important aspect of this point needs to be noted. As the U.S. deports the Illegals we will somewhat INCREASE the amount of LEGAL Immigrants allowed into the U.S. to minimize the hardship that may arise in the Agricultural and Construction Industries. This program will classify all Illegal Immigrants from Level 1 to Level 5. Below you will find the way to handle the different classes. The most important aspect of this program is that the Class 1 and Class 2 Illegals will be presented with a carrot being dangled in front of them that may allow them to retain residency and gain U.S. Citizenship without the fear of immediate deportation. Class 1: These are the Good Ones; they have somehow found a way into the U.S. to work and pay taxes. They have a clean criminal record with nothing more than minor traffic offences. They will be fast-tracked through the Immigration Process and be allowed to stay. They will be given three years to complete their U.S. Citizenship process or they will have to go back to their country of origin. Class 2: These are Illegal Immigrants that are found to be working but are NOT paying taxes and do NOT have any criminal convictions and most importantly they are NOT receiving ANY type of Public Assistance. These individuals can stay in the U.S. providing they pay a $1000 fine within 6 months. In the event they do not pay the fine they will be deported and force to get in the line of those already in line waiting to come back in the country legally. Class 3: These are Illegal Immigrants that are found to be working but are NOT paying taxes and do NOT have any criminal convictions but they ARE receiving SOME type of Public Assistance. These individuals will be deported to their country of origin until they can pay a $2500 fine before applying for re-entry to the U.S. They will have to go to the back of the line and wait till it is their turn to come back in the country legally. Class 4: These are Illegal Immigrants that are either working or not, are receiving Public Assistance or Not, but have a criminal record of misdemeanor offenses. These individuals will be deported to their country of origin until they can pay a $2500 fine before applying for re-entry to the U.S. They will have to wait a minimum of 5 years until they can go to the back of the line and wait till it is their turn to come back in the country legally. Class 5: these are the most violent and/or felony offenders that are currently in jail or have warrants out for their arrest. These people will serve out their FULL sentence then deported with a ZERO chance of Legal Immigration or Citizenship. In the event they are ever caught back in the U.S. they will be sentenced to life in prison WITHOUT the chance for parole. Thank you for taking the time to review The Gregory Plan. Should there be any questions or concerns regarding The Gregory Plan please reach out to me directly. Regards,
Or at least learn the word "Fire!" for when their trailer catches fire... Immigrants in U.S. should 'speak American': Ex-VP nominee Palin Sun Sep 6, 2015 | Immigrants to the United States should "speak American," former Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said on Sunday, adding her voice to a controversy triggered by Donald Trump's criticism of fellow Republican White House hopeful Jeb Bush's use of Spanish.
Isn't the idea of stopping an invasion, stopping the enemy from taking the wall? Instead of manning it with them. it's a novel idea. I'll give it that.
Texas court judge stands his ground... Judge: Texas May Deny Birth Certificates to Kids of Illegal Immigrants With Mexican IDs October 18, 2015 A federal judge has chosen for now not to force Texas health officials to change their stance in denying birth certificates to immigrant families with U.S- born children, saying that the families raised "grave concerns" but more evidence is needed, according to a ruling issued Friday.
In other threads we have dissected each of these ill thought out ideas and it has been dealt with. I'll just do one for now and do some more when I have the time. 1) Gregory plans to "secure the border" via militarizing it. Here are just some of the relevant issues regarding that idea: A) Build a wall; the foreigners will dig tunnels. B) Either this is a National Security issue OR it is a criminal issue. Gregory concludes in his rant that we are dealing with criminal law... sooo - he plans on militarizing the border and giving federal mercenaries the job of manning it. The first problem you have is that in order to enforce such a proposition, there is no "border" for the U.S. citizenry. For example, in order to appease the "Secure the border" lobby right now, there is a Constitution Free Zone wherein the Constitution does not apply within a hundred miles of the border. Since this is a "criminal" issue (according to Gregory), we've already nullified the Constitution within a hundred miles of the border. But, let's go on: The 14th Amendment guarantees everybody the equal protection of the laws. So, now under the Gregory plan, the LEO community can pass over ANY border (meaning YOUR private property line) to pursue any suspected criminal. Since I don't trust the feds, that means that I would not forfeit my Fourth Amendment guarantees just to have the LEO community chasing people over suspected civil violations of the law.
Gregory plans to utilize NATIONAL ID in order to save himself from people he says are "illegal." This is music to the left's ears. PRIOR to the National ID / REAL: ID Act, one did not have to get a Socialist Surveillance Number ...oooops "Social Security Number." Today EVERYTHING you do is tied to the National ID Card and your SSN. I recall when the NRA told us they whipped the anti - gun lobby by agreeing to the Brady Bill with the provision that, after a stated time, BATFE had to destroy the background check info (which included your National ID / SSN along with the serial number of the firearm.) What they didn't tell you is that under the so - called "Patriot Act" (which Gregory fully supports), ALL of the Brady background check information is accessible to the immigration authorities (BICE) AND THEY ARE UNDER NO STATUTORY OBLIGATION TO GET RID OF THE RECORDS. National ID and SSN based ID coupled with the Brady Bill meant that the federal government now registers your firearms the moment you fill out a Form 4473. You can thank people like Gregory for these treasonous acts. The National ID / REAL ID Act is Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids.
#3 according to Gregory: "Start Enforcing ALL U.S. Immigration Laws 100% and INCREASE the Penalties for Illegal Immigration Crimes: ...Repeat Offenders will be sentenced to a MANDATORY FIVE Year sentence working on U.S. Infrastructure projects to be determined at a later date." All of that has already been deemed to be unconstitutional. BTW, Donald Trump has said that if he gets elected, those people will be kicked out, but can return at a later date.
MOD EDIT - Rule 3 The issue that Gregory is stating was already passed by Congress, to build the fence, it wasn't completed. He never says to militarize the border, he simply allows the BP to have better surveillance of their areas, again which is already in motion. The CFZ has been in place since 1951, and only grants BP jurisdiction in that area. The Constitution hasn't been nullified as you are trying to ignorantly claim. The 14th Amendment EPC is directed at the individual states, but since we are already aware of your poor comprehensive ability, lets look at that exact clause: No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
So you claim prior to 2005 a SS wasn't required to have? Your ID has been tied to your SS since the moment you received it. You don't really have a grasp of what you are inanely claiming.
"4. Implement a E-verify System for Employer Hiring" The "Secure the border" lobby wants you to support a National Socialist approach to the hiring process in America. First, you have SSN based National ID and now Gregory wants to implement E-Verify (which we already have.) E-Verify presupposes that the government owns the jobs and you are due one by virtue of your citizenship. In the second analysis, the "Secure the border" lobby is big on claiming to trust their fellow Americans, but want to verify everything. Let's tell the "Secure the border" lobby a couple of things today: 1) Jobs are owned by the person that creates them. In a de jure (that is lawful) constitutional Republic, an employer ought to be able to give their jobs to whomever they want. It is their Right. While the federal government has sole jurisdiction over naturalization (citizenship), one does not need - NOR is it desirable - for them to become citizens in order to accept something willingly offered 2) E-Verify bolsters the notion that everybody is subject to unwarranted surveillance and endless verification. Part of the problem today is that the "Secure the border" guys want you to prove this and prove that. In doing so, not only do you have to prove who you are, you must now become a subject of the NEW WORLD ORDER / ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT by virtue of your SSN based National ID Card. Secondly, along those lines, since every facet of your past is produced from the government's point of view, many people get locked out of the job market, giving foreigners a decided advantage. The Fourth Amendment is quite clear on this: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized" I highlighted that word papers for you. It would be inclusive of ID. Without such a guarantee, random warrantless searches can be employed. What you're wishing on foreigners can be employed against you. Unless an employer has some reason to do a search (such as a criminal background check IF you work with money, children or are trusted with expensive equipment) then they have no legitimate reason to verify anything except a reference check to previous employers and professional business references. Thumbs down on E-Verify and the endless intrusions it spawns.
1) an employer can give the job to whomever they want in our society as long as they are within our society as a resident (temporary or permanent) or citizen. Been that way since 1606. 2)E-verify is nothing more than an electronic version of the already used I-9 form that the employer files with IRS, the only difference is that the information for the employer is immediate and doesn't take 6 months to get back from IRS. Your interpretation of words and the context you place them in from the USC is rather Papers in this case doesn't mean what you are claiming it to mean, and you are poorly trying to equate it to the Nazis. Papers simply means written letters, i.e. diary, notes, actual letters between you and someone else, etc. It does not mean Papers as in ID or govt authorized travel documents. WAFNMRON The rest of your psycho babble is
"5. Increase the Penalties for Employers Hiring Illegal Immigrants that are not E-verified and/or for Paying Employees in Cash". Again, in a de jure (lawful) constitutional Republic, the employer owns the job he or she creates. What you have here Gregory, is a pretext to uphold the 16th Amendment which is unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, unconscionable and the entire thing is a plank from the Communist Manifesto. I'd rather do away with the income tax altogether and not have to worry about Uncle Scam trying to steal my money. Do that and you can compete with other people that work for cash. Maybe you should support the Fair Tax. E-Verify is just another waste of taxpayer money in the false promise of temporary Safety. Don't make me go off quoting Benjamin Franklin. Thumbs down on E-Verify. If you start working for cash, the pols might give you what you're asking for, however.
"6. Elimination of Sanctuary Cities:" The "Secure the border" lobby is obsessed with trying to make America a house analogy. Unfortunately, that don't work too good, but let's try this: If America were an apartment complex with all fifty states representing a separate apartment, you might understand what I'm going to say. The federal government has sole jurisdiction over naturalization. Naturalization is the process of becoming a citizen. Now, in this analogy, a citizen would be one of the people that lives in the apartment. The people who are staying in Sanctuary Cities are little more than guests. If California has a Sanctuary City, it is of no concern to me in Georgia. Who another state invites as a guest is their business. Guests aren't necessarily going to have the opportunity to sublet (in this case become a citizen.) It makes NO sense to me why, Gregory, you advocate making citizens out of people that are being invited into the Sanctuary Cities and have no interest in becoming part of that American family of citizens. Forced citizenship will only lead to a backlash at the polls.
7. Implement a Time Limit on ALL Current & Future Green Card Holders: This makes NO sense. Why do we want to force people to become citizens? Don't we have the most to lose by forcing people to become citizens in order to exercise the unalienable Right of Liberty?
Communist Manifesto? 16th Amendment is unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, and unconscionable? E-verify is a false promise of temporary safety? This doesn't even make sense, MOD EDIT - Rule 3
As much as I like to read reasonably thought out plans and all, there are tow big things that stand in the way of immigration reform: 1) Republicans don't want it, obviously, since they did not seize multiple opportunities to deal with it and chose not to, and 2) Democrats don't want it because they need enough non-citizens flooding their sanctuary cities to corrupt the 2020 census, thereby tipping the electoral college to their favor for decades.
Sanctuary cities invite people in? The state doesn't own the apartment complex, the US does, the state is part of the US, it chose to join the association, and doesn't have the authority to invite people in. Business has the ability to request people to visit and stay for set amount of time, at which point they either apply to adjust status or they leave. MOD EDIT - Rule 3 - - - Updated - - - I actually agree with this bit: Why do we want to force people to become citizens? Don't we have the most to lose by forcing people to become citizens
"8 The Handling of Anchor Babies:. The anchor babies WILL continue to be U.S. citizens; however their Illegal Immigrant parent(s) will be deported. If BOTH of the parents are Illegal Immigrants the parents will be given the option to take their child/children with them or leave the Anchor Baby in the U.S. with friends or any Legal Immigrant family member. In the event that one of the parents is a U.S. Citizen the NON-Legal parent may possibly be fast-tracked to citizenship per the outline mentioned in Item 10 below." This would fail to meet constitutional muster (specifically the 14th Amendment.) But, let's get real here for a moment. If the parents are undocumented, then family and friends are, most likely, undocumented as well. Let me explain this to you very carefully: IF we could have a mass deportation (and it is a legal impossibility) and you kicked the parents out, the children would go as well. But, now your problems have just begun. Four or five years or so later, those babies with their SSN, National ID Cards and birth certificates will be coming of age. Since they will have lived for a number of years in a third world country, they probably no longer speak English. They will have no education, no job skills, no family support system. But, in all likelihood, they will be deemed to be U.S. citizens (I can provide you some good cases to read up on if you don't think the Supreme Court would do just that.) So millions of people that qualify for welfare are now flooding our country. What now, Gregory? In your proposal, we have a wall around the U.S. manned with federal mercenaries. You've given up the right to Privacy and the government knows how many weapons you own and who is most likely to raise a stink at the border. You can't rebel. You paid for those machine gun toting federal mercenaries. You paid for the bullets and body armor; the armed drones; the high tech surveillance gear. What parts of the U.S. aren't under the control of Constitution Free Zones will be guarded as if the Fourth Amendment had never been written. What's the plan now, Gregory? I'm not trying to be just a critic, here. I want you to think. An alternative idea for you is to study the illegality of the 14th Amendment. You stand as much a chance of challenging the 14th Amendment on constitutional grounds as you do implementing that pie in the sky idea with far reaching consequences that you cannot begin to fathom. Without the 14th Amendment, there would be no fight against so - called "anchor babies." http://www.barefootsworld.net/14uncon.html Spare me the original intent argument. While you might be technically correct, you have to get past the United States Supreme Court. They will not, no matter what you think, ever state that a person is not a citizen once the government has issued that SSN and claimed them as one of their subjects. The Secure the border lobby screwed us all with that mandated National ID / Real ID Act and E Verify crap.
How/why is mass deportation legally impossible? How would those babies have a National ID? Nobody has one as of yet, as the law has not passed. Birth Certificates are now being denied to parents without the proper ID, hence the parents now should go to their consulate to receive their children's documents from their home countries, they only need to show proof that the child was born to them, the hospital records are sufficient for that. If they can not receive a BC then they can not receive a SS#. MOD EDIT - Rule 3 The 14th doesn't need to be changed via constitutional amendment, Justice Gray in the Wong Kim Ark case makes quite clear that the 14th citizenship clause is merely declaratory of existing law, that law is the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which can easily be changed via simple law. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
"9. Implement a Program Tracking ALL Outgoing Money Transfers from the U.S.: The data will be cross checked with the IRS to verify the transfer source came from legal income. Anything Red Flagged as being out of the norm will be investigated. Additionally the payroll records of those sending money will be cross checked to ensure the money that is being sent to a location outside the U.S. was rightfully earned and not derived from “Under the Table” employment Where in the world does all this Big Brother government / God power brokering end? So, do you really think that man is not entitled to the proceeds of his labor? Make the IRS bigger? I told you before the "Secure the border" lobby had some very National Socialist solutions to a perceived problem they have trouble articulating. Gregory, you've got to start looking at the big picture here. "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Mark 8 : 36 Gregory, some day the people fighting for Liberty in this country may need those conveniences that you find troublesome in your quest to fight people predicated upon - whatever reason you think you're justified in. Tomorrow you might be the "illegal" whatever.
"10. Implement a Fast-track to Citizenship for the “Good Ones” when referring to Illegal Immigrants and Streamline the Deportation Process of the “Bad Ones”. Gregory, You may be interested to know that about 75 percent of all undocumented foreigners have gotten a Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the same communistic taxes as you do. The thing about deportation is that you are dealing with a federal civil misdemeanor. If you went before the United States Supreme Court and tried to argue a case for mass deportation, you would get shot down. Splitting up families over a paperwork violation that, at best, nets the government a $250 fine would be deemed cruel and unusual punishment. The far left has written a playbook and come up with a narrative that is not going to work in the final analysis. For that reason there are people within the "Secure the border" lobby that want to be less than honest with you in the facts. They don't even trust you to research the information and come to your own conclusions. Know this: America is being destroyed because we have become the spot where every race, color, creed, religion, political persuasion, and economic viewpoint tries to meet at. This mass amalgamation of people ends up in the masses voting the posterity of the founding fathers out of existence. IF the "Secure the border" had any legitimate claims on the issue of who gets to come here and who does not, it would start with asking the right questions. For example: Why should the federal government be involved in welfare? Why does the U.S. provide a free public education AND then tax people who don't even have kids to pay for it? What justifies giving non-citizens the privileges of citizenship (be it welfare, Socialist Security, unemployment, a free public education?) Why should the government dictate who an employer can and cannot hire? The difference between you and I is that I trust the people to make the right decision without government intervention. If an employer can hire whomever they want, a lot of people would hire Americans. They would discriminate against foreigners and that "legal" v "illegal" argument would not even be relevant. If employers could hire whomever they wanted AND if the government gave them substantial tax incentives to hire Americans, the issue would be self regulating. Big government is never the answer. But then again, the "Secure the border" lobby has never articulated a good reason to wage this war. One thing you should be well aware of. If you plan on forcing the foreigners to become citizens, within a few years, the Democrats WILL hold the balance of power and simply vote you out of existence. Most undocumented foreigners pay taxes, stay out of trouble and wait for the government to create some "legal" avenue that will allow them to stay here. I will never agree that citizenship ought to be that avenue.
