The Israelis Are Amazing — and So Is the Left

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    ....”John Brennan, the head of the CIA under President Barack Obama, strongly condemned the Fakhrizadeh assassination. Brennan, who has never abandoned the moral values he held when he was a communist, condemned the assassination as “a criminal act” and “highly reckless” and labeled it “murder” and “state-sponsored terrorism.” He asked Iran to “resist the urge” to retaliate and “wait for the return of responsible American leadership on the global stage.” In other words, wait until the Holocaust-denying, Islamo-fascist, America-hating, genocide-seeking Iranian regime is appeased by a Democrat in the White House — something guaranteed by, among other developments, Joe Biden’s appointment of Brennan’s former deputy director at the CIA, Avril Haines, as his director of national intelligence.”



    https://stream.org/the-israelis-are-amazing-and-so-is-the-left/




    Israel is a great and awesome country. They have done remarkable things in fighting against terrorism and states who sponsor it. From Entebbe on July 4, 1976 to tracking down and executing all of the perps in Munich and so much more, they have led the way.

     
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    Israel is a 1st world economy built out of desert over the last 70 years.
     
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    Great things indeed, from bringing terrorism to the middle east to electing a terrorist as PM, now they scream about others employing the same tactics!
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    A great deal of Israeli success has to be attributed to their being a 'catspaw' for the US in the Middle East. OTOH they have done remarkable things on their own

    One thing that should not be forgotten is that orthodox Islam regards the Jews as brother peoples to the Arabs. Modern archaeology to my understanding agrees that the very ancient Habiru are actually just another tribe from the Arabian peninsula.

    Regrettably, family squabbles are often the worst.
     
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    Not exactly, Arabs does not consider Jews or Christians as brothers, but as "People of the Scripture".
    And what Arabs think about Jews you can find in the Hamas chapter:

    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
    [...]
    "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."
     
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    $150B of US taxpayers money given to Israel says otherwise
     
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    Yep, every Israeli citizen receives about $5,000 per year in assistance from the US, from tax payers or individual donations.

    One only has to go to the Israel museum (an amazing place, to be certain). The list of top donors is the who is who of NY City high society. Most likely, these donations were all deducted as charitable from US tax returns.
     
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    That is a strange thing for Arab Christians or Arab Jews to think. Still the Palestinian Christians have been very badly treated by the Israelis and Christian Zionists. Did you know that there was as many Christians as Jews in Palestine at the beginning of the 20th Century? Then the mass immigration of Jews into Palestine began.
     
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    There is no doubt that the mass Jewish emigration to Palestine hurt Arabs - Muslims and Christians alike, the same as mass White immigration to South Africa hurt Black, mass White immigration to America hurt Indians or mass White immigration to Australia hurt Aboriginals. The question is how to fix the current situation without hurting.
     
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    And the plight of the Palestinian Christians?

    In Bethlehem—the little town of Jesus’ birth—only 1 in 5 residents today are Christians (22%). A decade earlier, more than 4 in 5 were believers (84%).

    About 8 in 10 worry about attacks from Jewish settlers and being driven from their homes (83%). About 7 in 10 worry about Israeli annexation (67%). And about 6 in 10 believe Israel’s goal is to expel Christians from their homeland (62%).
    https://www.christianitytoday.com/n...tians-survey-israel-emigration-one-state.html

    The Israelis are amazing!
     
  11. zalekbloom

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    But on the positive site - to protect American Interest the US does not have to keep American soldiers in the Middle East like it is doing in Europe or South Korea. And it paid few times:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rooster_53

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Diamond

    There were other missions too - info about the Soviet Union arms was shared with the US.

    Thanks to Israel - the operation Iraqi Freedom was done against non-nuclear Iraq:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

    Israel help pro-Western Jordan fighting against pro-Soviet Union Syria:
    https://nypost.com/2001/01/03/jordan-asked-israeli-help-vs-syria-troops/

    And there was more.

    Was it worth $150B?
     
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    LOL. The year is 2020, not the 1960's and the free money to Israel has no bearing on US troop numbers in the Middle East
     
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    @zalekbloom is apparently unaware of the fact that US Troops are currently in Israel with orders to die for Israel.(1) In the event of hostilities, these same American G.I.s are to be placed under Israeli command to fight for Zionist regional hegemony.

    Because of the overwhelming influence of Israeli lobbies, America's infestation of traitorous "Israel Firsters" and fanatic Christian Zionists, America has already sacrificed thousands of young lives and $ Trillions simply to make the region safe for Zionist regional hegemony.

    It was American lives that were sacrificed in neutralizing Iraq for Israel because of the "quiet" lobbying of AIPAC:

    “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

    Additionally, the Israelis had little to do with "making the desert bloom".

    While Zionist terrorist gangs were executing their genocidal Plan Dalet, destroying Palestinian villages, and murdering innocent civilians, it was the industrious Germans who built Israel's initial infrastructure.(2)
    It was the Germans who built Israel's water treatment plants, electrical power plants and grid work, roads, railroads, steel mills, shipping industry etc etc

    Yes, the Israelis are indeed amazing in their thankless parasitism:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html






    (1) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel


    (2) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED
     
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    Like we did in America, where mass immigration of everybody from everywhere made us the most pleasant and secure place to live in the world. Everybody just has to see other people as resources rather than enemies and we all can get rich together.

    All the Jews have to do is see the Palestinians as another type of Jew, like Reformed vs Orthodox. The Palestinians don't have to do anything, Jews never get along with other Jews even less than Goyim, they just never let on.
     
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    Well, if you know American history, what you wrote is not necessary true. For example until 1967 mixed marriages were illegal in Virginia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage

    Even today some Blacks are complaining.
    Weird – because white and black are excellent resources.

    Jews are not different than Palestinians or Americans – look how today Republicans and Democrats are getting along. Look how Hamas and PLO are getting along.
    As long as there is no discrimination against Jews, Jews are getting along the same way as any majority with minority.
     
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    LOL - Israel destroyed Iraqi nuclear reactor not in 1960's. If Israel did not destroy Iraqi reactor, today Kuwait and Saudi Arabia would an Iraqi territory. How many troops American would need if there was no Israel, just another Islam state? Good question.
     
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    Saudi Arabia has the most modern military equipment out of all the Arabic nations. You don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    So why are they the #1 recipients of the US's foreign aid programs?
     
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    For the last few years Israel is NOT he #1 recipients of the US's foreign aid programs.
    Most of the US help to Israel is the military aid which request that Israel spend the military aid purchasing Americas arms.
    There is not doubt that the US aid helped Israel economically and military, the same as the US aid (Marshal Plan) helped Europe after WWII.
     
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    LOL, not this crap again! Here have this military equipment which you can pay for with this money I'm going to give you. Twisted logic, hey.

    The UK took over 60 years to pay back the US loan (Marshal plan) - it was not aid, it was a loan.
     
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    The assassination was definitely state sponsored terrorism - no doubt about that - and that Brennan is " America hating yada yada" does not change this fact.

    Israel spend much of the last decade helping to support, supply and arm Terrorists. You seem to have things mixed up.
     
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    LOL, I don't see any twisted logic, I see a FACTS. For the last few years Israel is not #1 on the recipient list of US aid and the military aid Israel is receiving must be spent purchasing American product. Is it worth to spend this money keeping the only democratic country and the US ally in the Middle East? It is an open question, I posted my arguments why it is worth.
     

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