The laws of conservation of energy ?

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  1. Equality

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    I am looking to break the laws of conservation of energy by ''cheating'' the universe .


    I believe it is possible for a perpetual energy and perpetual motion device to work by being equal to energy conservation , equal loss to equal gain in the system .

    I have this design , what do you think ?

    The magnet passing through the coil will produce an electric current , we could then use a transformer to amplify the current giving it greater magnitude for the returned energy fed back into the device drive mechanism !

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    Pendulums stop unless you add energy.

    Guess how much.
     
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    My device creates it's own energy to add , I have no idea yet how much energy I need to add but I am sure with the correct dimensions it is achievable .
     
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    Your argument is that you can take energy out of a system that is already losing energy.

    Even if you take ZERO energy out, the penndulum is going to stop.

    If you take energy out it's just going to stop faster.
     
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    My design uses

    - E + E continuous !

    The pendulum will use energy for the incline but at the same time will produce energy in the copper coils in the form of electrical energy . The electrical energy is directed back into the drive mechanism device to replace lost energy and continue the pendulums work .
    I see no obvious reason of the physics involved why it would not work with the correct dimensions ?

    I think I can also improve the efficiency of the design by having a horseshoe shape magnet that perhaps will interact with the coils more efficiently . The magnets motion will be constantly moving within the coils .
     
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    You totally ignored my post.

    Then you use a question mark to suggest I should reply??

    Once again you are ignoring that even without your bogus energy aparatus hanging around the pendulum willl stop. It doesn't have enough energy to go forever even WITHOuT you subtracting energy.

    And, that's true even if your energy extraction/addition stuff was free of all forms of friction - which it is not..
     
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    You should go back to provving Einstein wrong!
     
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    I intend to amplify the generated electricity by using a transformer to increase the magnitude enough to cover the loss of energy .

    I put a question mark because it was a question . I didn't ignore your post , I thank you for your opinion .
     
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    That's not what transformers do.

    It it WERE what transformers do, we could have transformer farms to supply clean energy for essentialy free!!
     
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    I thought transformers turned a small electric charge into a greater electrical charge ! Perhaps not then . However , free clean energy is not that difficult . We could build some huge dynamos and attach them to the national grid . We could use gearing to gear these down to a situation where exercise bikes could turn them .

    It says on google a transformer does what I thought it did !
     
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    You can't increase the magnitude beyond the amount of available input energy. Amplification increases the intensity level without any gain in power. Stepping up the voltage eats up current. You can't increase both. P = I x E.

    Let's see you do the amplifying without any losses. What do you know about eddy currents and hysteresis? Even if you avoid coils, digital amplifiers have transistors and capacitors linked by conductors.

    By the way, Rudolph Steiner undermined the law of conservation of energy and matter back around 1900-1920, but that's not going to help you unless you plan on interfering with quark balance, a tricky business that could collapse reality.
     
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    I'll use the small current to charge a capacitor , which in turn will release a higher energy through a Tesla coil , the Tesla coil will amplify the energy and emit an electrical arc back into the mechanism , supercharging the device drive ?
     
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    This is the sort of thing that every child with an interest in science thinks about.

    It is also completely wrong.
     
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    Have you ever tried this design ?
     
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    Somewhere there's a checklist for a "crackpot scientist", I'll see if I can dig it out from somewhere.

    Aha, here it is:

    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

    Equality, you're knocking it out of the park.....
     
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    [QUOTE="Equality, post: 1070214744, member: 69382"It says on google a transformer does what I thought it did ![/QUOTE]
    Now all you have to do is figure out what a volt is.
     
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    A transformer will result in energy loss not in an amplification of current (transformers are 95-98% efficient, meaning they lose 3-5% of the power that goes through them). You need to learn about science before trying to break the laws of science.
     
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    Where does your device create energy? I haven't figured that out yet. Please explain.
     
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    Because a generator (i.e. the magnet going through the coils) will take more energy to produce electricity than the amount of energy that is produced by it. It's a losing game.
     
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    The device creates electrical energy by the magnet passing in and out of the coils .
     
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    Transformers change the voltage between input and output. That doesn't turn a small electrical charge into a greater one. That's the first flaw in your idea.
     
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    Gravity plays a part , it takes no energy for the downswing .?
     
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    The magnet passing in and out of the coils takes energy, and produces less energy output than the energy input. Sorry, but you can't produce more energy from scratch. It has to have a source, and nothing that we use as an energy source is 100% efficient.
     
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    Yes , they increase the voltage , the higher voltage will recharge the system ?
     
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    Yes, but in a short time, the upswing will be lower, etc. Moving a magnet through a coil takes energy. Any time energy changes form, there is a loss of energy. When we change kinetic energy (energy of motion) into electrical energy, there is a loss of energy (as electrical motors or generators are not 100% efficient). A magnet going through a coil of copper is a generator. Your device drive is basically a motor.
     

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