The Long, Uneasy Wait Is Over: Parties, Protests And Solemn Silence Greet Brexit

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/31/8015...ties-protests-and-solemn-silence-greet-brexit

It kills me that no one is discussing this major world event that will go into history books.

I think it’s rather funny, that after all of the hysteria we all witnesses about Brexit it happened without much of a fuss.
Now GB has 11 months to finalize the trade agreement.
I think GB will walk out a much stronger country after this.

 

A great day for democracy, nationalism, and conservativism.

It sends a direct message to the EU that it should reform, which I think was needed.

My belief is that a new Lisbon Treaty 2 will happen soon in response, however, it will be camouflage for more power centralization and uncountability.

 

I'm sure other countries fed up with the EU dictatorship will be watching how the UK fares in the next year or so.

 

I hope it works out for them but all I can see is it costing the Brits a lot of money in passport fees to travel anywhere in the EU that they could drive through without legal obstruction until today.They also had not offered a viable solution to the Irish border problem??There is no way in hell either side wants a return to the hard borders that existed before the EU.

 

Nothing is perfect but the Brits were able to undo the terrible mistake they made when they joined the EU. The original plan was to create an economic union to make trade easier. It turned out to be a foreign power that managed the members in many ways. Good to see them free themselves from it. Freedom is hard to win and hard to keep but worth the effort.

 

As 'Great' Britain was never fully in the E.U., it is not clear what is gained by whom in its 'leaving'. Independence? What country, especially a small, island nation, is independent in this age? England can't even feed itself. They were led to believe new relations and deals could be made. That is true, they will be, but not to the advantage of a vulnerable, need nation. They could have made a positive contribution to history. Instead, all they have done is quit an effort toward lasting peace and co-operation. Congratulations.
The French could well say "bon debarras", but they are too polite.

 

The Irish border problem keeps being swept under the carpet by Brexit fans

 

At the time Britain joined the EU it was known as the poor man of Europe. We had continuous strikes, 3 day weeks and going down the plug hole. It was belonging to the EU and having a strong say in how it was run that gave rise to Britain becoming one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

 

Now that you know how to do it, you don't need the EU any longer. Congratulations.

 

Before the UK joined the EEC, which evolved into the EU juggernaut, I would hop on the ferry from Dover to Boulogne and the passport check took a matter of moments. I would also drive from Ballybay in Eire over the border into Enniskillen without ever coming to a border. The only indication was the change from MPH to KPH. I never saw a hard border.

 

Well, nothing will really change over the next 11 month, maybe even over the next 23 month. I do not think a deal will be cut in 11 month.
What does that mean for the UK, extended uncertainty. Who is going to invest into uncertainty, nobody. According to Bloomberg it already has cost the UK 200 billions in lost investments. Now that Brexit is assured, the future hangs on the deal with the EU, which made already clear that there will be no give aways.
The EU will make a stand and has the economic power to do so, its all about economics, money talks crap walks.
No body will seriously negotiate a trade deal with the UK, till they know how much the UK will be tied to the EU.
Johnson said he will move as fast as possible away from EU rules and regulations, which means UK products might not comply with the EU and have to find other markets, which ones ?
The UK got rather wealthy, because of the Honey Pot EU and had a major say in the EU. UK, France and Germany were the players in the EU, formed the EU. Now the UK is out, it has no say anymore and is just a small Island, which lost all the trade agreement the EU has, 70 of them.
40% of its trade is with the EU and 60% with the rest of the World, but 80% of it under the EU umbrella, which it now has lost. The UK lost 70 trade agreements, 01-31-2020.
It is a blow to the EU, but it had 3 years to prepare, which they did. Will it cost GDP, naturally, probably quiet a bit. But than markets always fill holes, might take a while.
For the EU it probably is a great chance to move ahead. The UK was more concerned about its privileges, but not concerned of moving the EU forward. Now France and Germany are the left over big players. They signed the Aachen treaty, probably the next step.
We will see.
But good it finally happened.

 

The Irish Free State is making a killing issuing passports to Brits who still want to vacation in Spain,Portugal,France,Greece,Turkey and many other EU countries.Will be much easier to travel with an EU countries passport than U.K.one.

 

What makes you think Brits won’t be able to travel to EU with UK passports?

 

Hurray for England!!!!!


Anything that decentralizes power is a great thing..

 

As an Australian I can travel visa free to the EU for up to 90 days out of 180. Why the EU would unilaterally refuse such an arrangement with the UK I have no idea. Spite I guess.

 

While this is okay, its nowhere near as good as it used to be, its rather standard for strong passports(I can travel to Vietnam from EU up to 90days out of 180, example).

Going from the UK to EU or vice versa was like going from Melbourne to Sydney, but I guess you already knew.

 

It's this kind of complete unwillingness to understand the benefits of EU membership that allowed the referendum to be won on the grounds of petty nationalism and distortions about how much we give the EU each week. And now it will be stubbornness and refusal to admit their mistake which will allow Boris to sell off the NHS and lower our regulations to the point where we have to get used to the taste of bleach on our chicken and growth hormones in our beef.

 

Yeah, but it is a minor inconvenience at worst.

There are better arguments against Brexit than you might have to wait 10 minutes in a line every now and then.

 

Any step away from one world government should be celebrated.

 

Travel-wise, there's nothing to be gained from having an Irish passport. British people can travel to the EU with their British passports. Just like they can travel just about anywhere with a British passport.

The reasons for wanting an Irish passport (for those entitled to one) are much more significant. An Irish passport makes them (proves that they are) an Irish citizen and therefore also an EU citizen. This means they can continue to enjoy the full benefits of being part of the EU. Namely the right to go and live, work, buy property, access healthcare, etc., in other EU countries - no questions asked.

British people will still be able to do this too. They'll just have to go through the same application and approval process as if they were, say, an American wanting to live and work, etc. in an EU country.

As I understand it, many "Leavers" are perfectly happy with this "hardship", because it means people from Europe will have to do the same thing to live and work in Britain, rather than be automatically entitled to do so.

 

Err, you do know that the EU is based on the same model as the states in the USA , don't you? Actually you clearly don't know anything about what has gone on - England???

 

So you must be in favour of splitting up the USA?

 

And if Britain imposes restrictions on EU immigrants such as the points based system the government is talking about then the EU is likely to reciprocate.
This puts the rights of residence currently enjoyed by millions of Brits living in Europe in doubt.
Many of whom sold their high value properties in the UK to buy much cheaper homes in places like Spain and France to live a comfortable retirement. Many of these people will not have the money to buy a new home in the UK if they are forced to return.
For example, the house my father bought in France has actually fallen in value from around £90 k just before he died to around £30k now due to a poor property market in rural France. The average cost of a house in the UK is more than 5 times that now. The average monthly rent is more than his pension would be.
So it is possible that we could end up swapping young EU migrants who are in work and contributing to the economy for returning pensioners who would be reliant on state housing benefits and needing treatment from our already stretched NHS.

 

I don't want Texas telling new Mexico what to do either. I am for eliminating as much government authority as we can.
That is the best way to deal with the fact that we are a nation divided almost in hslf by political ideology.
The less power government has the less opportunity there is for one group to rule over the other.

 

No benefits are worth the loss of freedom. Putting another governmental body on top of yours is just plain crazy. You don't need to be in the EU to deal with bleach and growth hormones.