The Looming Ukraine Debacle

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  1. Bill Carson

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    One would think with all these nonsense postings that the ukrops would be occupying Red Square any day now :laughing::laughing::laughing:
     
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    Prediction: Sometime during late summer/early autumn, the Zelensky administration will leave Ukraine and set up a "government-in-exile", thus setting the stage for Ukraine to be partitioned into two halves -- and everything east of the Dnieper River will come under Russian control (but as "independent states" with self-rule). The western-half of Ukraine will remain under the control of its own oligarchs who will continue to get billions upon billions of dollars and euros in "aid" from the IMF and its partners in western central banks -- like the ECB and the Federal Reserve System.

    Thus, just in time for the November election, Democrats will blame Republicans, and, Republicans will blame Democrats! NATO members will blame each other, America will blame Europe, Europe will blame America, and the only successful person left standing will be Vladimir Putin.
     
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    Iranian military leaders are always a legitimate target for Israel to strike wherever they can find them.
     
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    Counter prediction: By late summer the Kerch Bridge will be destroyed and it will fall into the BS....followed by a catastrophic "explosion" at the ZNPP. Rogue elements in Putlers inner circle will eliminate the clown before Article 5 is invoked and what's left of RuZzian military is removed from Ukraine territories before its destroyed by several NATO airstrikes.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You've been wrong about everything you've said so far, and don't do any research so, back on ignore.
     
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    "back on ignore"?

    I'm happy to hear that!....thanks so much!:thumbsup:
     
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    Zelensky can blow up the bridge (which can be rebuilt in a year or two), but he'd better not blow up the nuclear power complex at Zaporizhia! If he does that (on his way into a luxurious exile), he'll inflict severe damage on everybody within thousands of miles. That could easily be as bad as SIX 'Chernobyls', and last many decades in its impact.
     
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    Zelensky can blow up bridge...which will be rebuilt?

    Good luck with that .....military getting destroyed, no BSF, 800 mln spent daily on a lost cause war, 2 million or more displaced from floods, sanctions, etc.:grin:

    It won't be Zelensky that blows ZPP....it'll be Dwarfstan himself....he's rigged the place with high explosives....this will be Mafiosis attempt at "coup de grace"....but will end with his demise, he knows it.:)
     
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    Same for Israel military people. This is perfectly fine to respond to the strike against the Iranian diplomatic mission. More when the mission is not on the territory of Iran.
     
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    Look differently, ZPP would not be under threat if the US did not poke the Russian bear wth the stick. In fact, what Yanukovich should have done is just suppressed the meetings in Maidan and sent the organizers to the prisons. Like Lukashenko did. Then there was peace in Ukraine, like in Belarus.
     
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    I'm am "looking differently"....Putler had an axe to grind since he took office back in 2000....

    If US didn't "poke the bear"?....NATO has expanded, and BSF is almost non existent....sounds like the bear got castrated?

    Yanuk was weak....he was weak in 2004 with Orange Revolution....he was weak in 2013....Putler bet on the wrong horse ...visko.

    Apart from that Yanuk did absolutely nothing for Ukraine....any investment $$$ from abroad went directly into his and his cronies pockets. Just look at Mezhriya residence.

    Lukashenka hasn't much support...and he can thank Putler for 110% of his job....visko.

    We didn't poke any bear....it's a case of your "czarstvoh" that can't let go and his illusions of grandeur.

    If ZPP gets popped and Dwarf is behind it....he's a dead man .
     
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    Iran has been engaged in aggressive acts of war for decades. Its targets have consistently ignored that Iran is at war with them in favor of passive resistance and occasionally reactionary slap backs that only serve to encourage further Iranian aggression. This is similar to the pathetic passive response of the rest of the West when the Hitler/Stalin military alliance started WW2. Phony wars eventually lead to total war.

    IMO, Iran will get away with every kind of aggressive attack on Israel and other targets until massive retaliation is the only way for Western governments to survive the popular backlash that eventually and inevitably follows a policy of appeasement, cowardice and virtue signaling.
     
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    What are you talking about? Iran has not started a single war for the last 300 years. By the way, it was Iran who provided the platform for a meeting between U.S. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin in Tehran in 1943. Whatever Iran did so far was a response to the aggression against it. With respect to the Iran- Israel relations, it is Israel that always attack Iran. First killing Iranian nuclear physicist Fahrizade in 2020 and earlier some other Iranian scientists, later the attack of the diplomatic mission in Damask. Actually, attack of the consulate is a violation of Vienna convention on diplomatic relations.
     
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    Yes, unfortunately Yanukovich was weak. If he was like Lukashenko, there was no war now. NATO has expanded, but that does not mean anything. NATO army does not have any military experience like Russian army now. In fact, the most experienced armies now are Russian and Ukrainian. So if NATO does not want to get kicked its ass it is better to keep away from Russia.
     
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    Lukashenka is hanging on solely with Putlers help....once Dwarfstan is finished..so is Luka.

    "If NATO doesn't want to get it's ass kicked"???

    visko ...dude, RuZzia is getting clobbered by 30 yr old NATO table scraps....if NATO were to get really involved....with F22/35, B2s,B1Bs, F117s, Ohio class attack subs, Gerald Ford supercarrier, Marine Corps, Army Rangers.....I give no more than 72 hrs where Mafiosi is completely destroyed.
     
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    I understand the last 3/4 of your message, there is a truth in them most people
    do not understand, but I need to ask about the first 15 words.
    Is it as simple as Yanukovych was weak, or did something change?

    Was it the arrival of Victoria Nuland and the CIA with a big budget for the overthrow
    of the Yanukovych government and a lot of good planning, that made the difference?

    Certainly the music and fireworks at night in Feb 2022 to keep people in the square,
    and the snipers over on the front of a building near Maidan (Independence) Square
    made a big difference. Could Lukashenko have handled a situation that well orchestrated?
     
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    Is any of that "history" supposed to relate to something specific from my post?

    In fact, Islamists have not been shy about declaring war on the Little Satan" and the "Great Satan" -- and Russia.
    Beyond that they make war on their declared enemies whenever they think they can get away with it.

    "Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. . . . But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. . . . Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur'anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim." Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
     
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    :roflol: Your NATO troops are just a bunch of transgenders that love comfort and can not fight in hard conditions.
     
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    prove it
     
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    You quote Khomeini. Now give me one example when his words have been actualized in terms of the real war. Which countries have Iran invaded? I'd say the US was the most aggressive country for the last half century. It intervened in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybya, Syria, Yugoslavia to name a few.
     
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    Putler should put his money where his mouth is....and prove it.

    600K dead RuZzki conscripts....table scrap equipment...and not one NATO boot on the ground.....:lol::mrgreen:
     
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    Enjoy it. NATO.jpg NATO.jpg NATO1.jpg NATO2.jpg
     
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    Those are good questions. Yanukovych's mistake was trusting the West would accept that capitalism prevailed (accepting financial assistance from Russia instead of the IMF). The West's butthurt led to genocide of the ukrainian peoples.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2014/02/21/the-loan-that-launched-a-crisis/
     
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    You people way overuse the term "genocide".

    "Genocide" is NOT Happening in Ukraine..
     

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