The Mc Cain Graham roadshow in Egypt

Well how did you all think Mc Cain and Graham presser from the US Embassy in Cairo went yesterday?

Do you think it went down well with Egyptians?

Do you think your comedy duo impressed either side?

How come Obama sends these guys to Cairo YET YOUR own government cannot decide if this was a coup or not????

What did you think when the reporter asked Mc Cain about the coup definition?

Your senators said Egypt is the most vital and important country in the region to America so what do the Americans here think about what he said?

Did any of you even watch it considering as he said that what happens in Egypt is vital to Americans.

 

I think he still thinks he won the election.

 

mccain is an idiot.

i have shaken his hand personally and have noted his bias for decades. That guy is about as AIPAC'd as it gets.

 

American senator Mc Cain with his Ikhwan friends Katatny and El Erian

 

you got that right!!!!!!!

why did Obama send him?


to scare Americans for your next elections do you think?

 

Of course Egypt has had a coup. Obama's administration doesn't want to admit it because they want to back the people supporting the Army, but they need a new election in the near future to put some spin on the whole business, as well as having the sporadic violence come to an end. I'll just remind PFers that if Obama uses the word "coup" a provision kicks in that automatically stops any military and/or financial aid from going to Egypt (currently about $1.5 billion US a year).

The danger for Obama is if the new election gradually recedes into the distance and if the conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood becomes more and more violent. At that point it will be very hard to pretend a coup hasn't taken place and Obama will have to explain why he didn't say otherwise in the first place. McCain is not so much calling for a change in policy as he is setting up Obama for future embarassment.

 

I could do with a transcript.

 

To be honest coup is a Western term and not even relevant to us in Egypt.

The people asked the army to remove Morsi after Tamarod gathered 23 million signatures which is way more than Morsi even got so we play by different rules in fact we seem to be making changes never seen before and maybe a model for others.

America cannot stop the aid anyway and knows it, whether it is a coup or not because if they stop it then the even more massive military contracts will stop from our side and we will find another country to supply the military and you wont want that to happen so we have you caught and all you say are just words that mean nothing.

Coup or no coup it doesn't matter.

The funny part was watching Mc Cain try to explain coup and then try to blame the headphones, then the translation, then he said he couldn't hear, didn't understand trying to find excuses hoping Graham would take over the questions.

Mc Cain had that same humiliating moment that Ashton had last week in front of the world when Tamarod asked her about Raba'a outside her house.

Mc Cains answer that Mubarak was a coup also but our kind of coup said it all about American hypocrisy and double standards and made Egyptians really mad about American policy even if that is possible which I doubt.

At least Graham was a bit more honest.

He admitted America are the last people on earth to lecture us and he was right about that one!

Saying America only gave voting rights to women not long ago and he was 54 or 53 and had no blacks in his school etc.

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did your TV not show it live like us in ME?

 

from Ahram gate today

 

No and I wouldn't expect it to, so I never saw it.

 

Countering any notion that mob rule is acceptable DOES matter.

 

LOL - They said that?

Hilarious.

 

The USA was born on the mob rule.

'the people' are who rule. To uproot the leaders, is often quite normal in many democratically held societies.

The leaders are often just idiots (see mccain as example). Mccain is proof positive that 'people' are not always represented by the politicians.

Mccain could never be a president, simply because he doesnt have the yahoos to be honest over belief

 

I was specifically referring to the situation in Egypt in which a democratically elected leader was overthrown in a coup that Western leaders, Abu and others seem intent on underplaying, I can only surmise, for reasons of political expediency.

 

US Senator Mc Cain August 7th 2013

"The Muslim Brotherhood must be part of the transition and future government of Egypt.....their leaders must be released from prison"


US Senator Mc Cain February 6th 2011

"I believe that the Muslim Brotherhood should be specifically excluded from any transition government.....The Muslim Brotherhood taking a certain role of in the transition process in Egypt: It concerns me so much that I am unalterably opposed to it. I think it would be a mistake of historic proportions."




Schzophrenic American Foreign Policy

 

as I already said we are a Muslim country so we do not always follow Western ideas

As Muslims we have that right to oust corrupt or dangerous or criminal leaders who lead us astray and running wild in trucks murdering children outside a church!!! it NOT acceptable to us at all! and that is just one of their crimes and I ask you

how much time have you actually spent talking in conversation with any Egyptian Ikhwan in the last 3 weeks in Egypt?

 

All I can say, is I hope from the bottom of my heart you get it right and that I wish you and all of your people the hope and freedom from tyranny that has eluded you for so many troubled years.

 

I can tell you this

I have spent many many days speaking face to face with Ikhwan and the others the Wahabi Salafist more extremist ones.

What you will find in 100% of cases is this

1. You cannot have a debate with them. You cannot have any kind of normal conversation because number one they do not talk. They SHOUT!!!! as loud as they can AT you.

Number 2 they are aggressive in tone ALWAYS!. When you walk past a cafe you always know that Ikhwan or Wahabi are present because the sound is very loud and aggressive.
Any foreigner who does not know Arabic would hear very loud conversation and would know who were the Ikhwan and Wahabi and who were the opposition. The opposition are quiet and calm and get to speak about 15% of the time.

Number 3 is IF you are listening to them they repeat about 5 sentences ONLY.
The exact same phrases over and over and over for hours till they exhaust you. It would be like sitting in a room surrounded by people like H Bendor or Dutch repeating the same lines of nonsense over and over and over till eventually they exhaust you and you give up.

"We love and support Morsi"

"We don't care about Morsi it's the legitimacy"

"We will die for Morsi"

"It's doesn't matter about Morsi it's my vote that I am talking about"

"It's about democracy"

When you ask them to define democracy they go back to "We love and support Morsi" and repeat cycle for hours without getting tired at all.

Try it and see!

 

Thank you very much I appreciate that a lot and inshallah we will eventually get to the right state we need and hopefully be a good model for others to follow too maybe

 

i dont think obama would send that idiot. ie.. obama was in az yesterday, If i was him, i would be telling the high school students to vote that moron out of office.

But could you imagine a country with that idiot wanting to blow up everybody. If he was pres now, i bet south korea would be an island by now.


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Since the deposing of the tyrant, Mubarek, I said from the outset that the revolution was incomplete and that the Egyptian people would have to go through untold amounts of suffering prior to any equilibrium. That's normally the way of revolutions in that they are best understood as a process not as the result of a figurehead purporting to wave a magic wand in the absence of a clear ideological alternative agreeable to the overwhelming mass of the population. It didn't help matters that the initial stage following Mubarek's populist overthrow there was no clear identifiable alternative political ideology for the people to cling to in order to fill the vacuum as a result of his departure. I made this point at the time. It's vital, historically, that in order for revolutions to succeed as bloodless as possible in the shortest space of time as possible is that an alternative ideology be put in place as quickly as possible. The greater the space for political uncertainty can be normally correlated to the extent of social instability. I fear that there will be much more bloodshed in Egypt - possibly a civil war - before things settle on the right path.

 

Ikhwan started work on building their iron dome across Mobil benzine station at Raba'a for the seige

 

No I believe that there will be no civil war

We did not expect miracle and even now we know El Baradei is totally unacceptable etc

Egyptians are smart and know we are going through painful process to get things right and will will inshallah as long as we can make decisions and not foreigners interfering and they got that message now I think.

We suffered too long to allow occupation by any bad or corrupt forces local or foreign ever again.

 

The Egyptians should remember that President Johnson et al. tried to sink the USS Liberty and blame it on Egypt so he could nuke Egypt. The bombers were on their way, when it was revealed that the Israelis were trying to sink the USS Liberty.

 

Ikhwan posing for the invited Western Media reporters and TV crews where they take them on tours showing all the English banners made especially for the foreign media but meanwhile while Egyptian reporters who are banned from entering and are caught inside are tortured and beaten in tents behind in Raba'a sit in



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There is not an Egyptian who does not know how low the Israeli will sink to distort history and plant false flags my friend the problem is when will the Americans wake up..................