The new normal: A child out of wedlock!

I want to marry a good woman and have seven children to keep me company on my deathbed.

 

...for being as smart as you think you are, you sure don't know as much as you think...yeah, women love not being in control and rejection...their 2 favorite things in the world...


Kabuki Joe

 

...that's kind of the world we live in now, but diddlerdave is too liberal to see he's been moved to 2nd class, not in the company of other males, but in the company of females...


Kabuki Joe

 

Are you a female single parent? if not, then how can you relate to what you've stated here?

 

He can relate as a taxpayer.

 

Ok maybe as far as paying taxes, which are a civil duty regardless. But the other issues he (if its a he) cannot relate to.

 

What does that mean? It sounds like something somebody made up? Anyway, no one should be forced at the point of gun to give the fruits of their labor to someone else. Charity must be voluntary.

 

Then take a "wife hunting" jaunt to central America or the Carribean. I have a haitian friend who swears that if he took me to Haiti on Vacation with him I could come back with 2 or 3 women who would worship the ground I walked on as long as I treated them decently.

 

Maybe it sounds made up because you don't agree with it??

 

You dont have a clue do you, marriage is somehing that excists from before there was talk about christianity.

And for the most part it was to enslave giving the women away as property in exchange for goods or services.

BS

The only way to force anything is trough legal binding contracts, be it a legal binding trough agreement or marriage makes no difference.

Religious amrrige has nothing to do with this, and its this you fail to understand.


And thats again besides the issue, the issue was reponsability. A father is no less reponsible then a mother, even if its easier for him to elope.

fact, compare pre welfare to after welfare .

Again as I already stated private charity almost always comes with strings attached . Its usualy more PR based, its wastefull, unguided, unreliable and still leaves out plenty of people .

Welfare wasnt born in the USA in the 50-60's it predates that quite a lot.

It dates back to the great depression with saw poverty levels up to 40%, and yes it brought those down the the current 10-15%

No just eternal (*)(*)(*)(*)ation in hell. Thats a lot worse then a fine . With this logic god isnt a lot worse .

I never said that.

And you again deflect the issue. promiscuity among men is of all ages, but not some women do this also it suddenly brings down society?

No there are a great numbers of reasons, yet you pick sex as the one to mention.

Bingo, and thus its get corrected. After this baby boom generation apsses away you return to a normal and stable population piramid .

Thats a whole different matter. Plenty of children is not linked to a vibrant culture.

 

LOL You brought it up, you now of course realise that was stupid .

Its actually a fine example why you are wrong.

Logic and science have no place in religion as they are belief based.

Actually now I use logic and fact on it .

And let me get this straight, do you propose then an anarchists system? As you seem to oppose any taxation .

No so jews who follow juadism arent forced to accept the food laws? Mormons dont wear there "magic" underwear? People arent baptised?

You of course will say this is free will. As if an couple of month old child has een say wether its baptised.

Religion intrudes a lot more in your life then any gouvernement ever will .

Its always funny to see people following a religion they had no choice into accepting (born into) and then whine and complain as the gouv intrudes 1/10the of that same religion .


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What matters is that the zygote is an individual human organism and the sperm is not.[/QUOTE]
BS both have potential to become a self supporting living organism but both most likely will not.

 

Trashy sluts, trashy gangsta males, and their parasitic, bastard progeny: the "Orcs" of the fallen, ruined "Mordor" that has contaminated and ruined the "Middle Earth" that used to be the United States of America. Our national fairy tale is NOT going to have a happy ending....

 

In your dreams mate.

 

...and within 6 months they would be Americanized and you'd want to send them back...that's the biggest problem with my wife, "white liberal fat emotionally disturbed feminists" trying to tell my wife "it's bad being a wife"...it's tough being a women when there's so many unhappy feminists trying to drag ALL WOMEN DOWN INTO THE HOLE...



Kabuki Joe

 

...I really feel bad for you, you are most likely Gay, and you hate marriage, but you fight for the right to be married for no other reason to spite conservatives...man, it sucks to be you...


Kabuki Joe

 

Somebody has some issues.

 

LOL The ultimate argument of a loser, you are gay and hate ...

Actuall no, happily married wich is also why I know most in the thead is BS .

 

...of course I do...my issues are "women" are making being a "man" a crime; can't cut down trees, can't eat meat, can't use animals, can't disagree with same sex marriage, can't be a christian, on and on and on...


Kabuki Joe

 

It sounds made up because it is made up. The idea of a "civil duty" is pure statist propaganda to justify ones oppression by the state.

 

Well, at least since the Middle Ages, it's been a voluntary, contractual institution and a positive one for civilization.

Actually, it's you that keeps talking about the religious aspect of marriage, whereas keep talking about it as a contractual means of regulating child-bearing and -rearing.

He may have a moral responsible, but it's not likely to be enforceable in the free love universe. That's the point. The point is that free love will lead a society of single moms and absent dads. It's just a plan fact, no matter how much you wish it were not so.

How do you know state welfare did that rather than economic production. I suggest the Great Society programs hindered the decline in poverty on the basis that it had been declining before. You would therefore need to show that poverty had not been declining before the New Deal came in. Of course, the reality is that the New Deal prolonged the downturn.

Charity should come with strings attached, the main string being that it will can be taken away from moochers. Otherwise, it's taken advantage of by moochers. This is one major problem with state welfare and one effect of the inherent inefficiency of having charity provided by a coercive monopoly (along with it being wasteful and everything else you criticize private charity for being).

They both harm society. Why is this point hard to understand?

A dearth of children is linked to dying culture undoubtedly. You seem to imagine that the decline will simply flatten out after awhile. But this will only be the case, if the people in Europe, Japan, etc start having more children eventually.

 

Unfortunately for you, that's not the position the government takes on that; you can have your opinion, but either way do pay your taxes when they are due.

 

"Unfortunately for you, that's not the position Emperor Nero takes on that..."

Whatever.

 

Lots of gay have simular issues perhaps talk about this with your boyfriend?

Nope , thats just your imagination.

 

Ah your argument changes, so "for a while" its been "good"

And yes it was regulated more, for example it became illegal to get married without aproval of a priest. Later a priest was even obligated to perform the marriage, ah some "progress" indeed . No possible divorce,..

And yes it was also the time of the "pre nuptual" agreements but as already said that simple contracts outside realm of religion.

You have a religious and civil marriage. You pretend they are one but they arent its 2 very distinct matters.

The civil marriage has got nothing to do with religion and as such is regulated by law, the religion was is based on beliefs .

Nice how you describe "free love universe" and yes its perfectly possible.

thats BS, again the problem is couples spliting up (wether married or not wether married for the law or a religion)

Child out of wedlock and all the downfall of USA coupled with it isnt the real issue .

new deal was after the crash and the increase in poverty. fact remains that since then we have never seen such levels of poverty. On the contrary poverty quickly dropped and has remained low ever since.

That is not the strings I am talking about. Charity should be given absolutly free and to anyone who needs it. It should also make sure it reaches everyone , is consistent and reliable.

Private based charity can never achieve this.

Here in the thread its as if this is a just recent problem and because women do it. But its nice to see you finally admit men are equal to blame, and for a lot longer .

Nope, nobody can argue western culture has taken over the world the last decades, yet its birth numbers have dropped since that period .

Same goes for the USA in case you dont understand.

And no, birth rates are already increasing and once the baby boom generation is gone the population pyramid is basicly back to normal.


Perhaps you dont knwo this but a too large burth rate is one of the most damaging items to a country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_birth_rate

Top 20 in birth rates: not really "vibrant" countries or cultures

Rank Country Birth rate
(births per 1000 persons)
— World 19.2
1 Niger 47.7
2 Zambia 46.5
3 Mali 45.0
4 Malawi 44.5
5 Uganda 43.9
6 Chad 43.4
7 Somalia 43.0
8 Burkina Faso 42.4
9 Afghanistan 42.3
10 DR Congo 42.1
11 Tanzania 41.0
12 Rwanda 40.6
13 Angola 39.9
14 Nigeria 39.3
15 Benin 38.3
16 Guinea 37.6
17 East Timor 37.6
18 Liberia 37.6
19 Guinea-Bissau 37.4
20 Yemen 37.2

 

Absolute BS.

This country is ruled by the people. They can vote to change those taxes .


Btw:

No reponse on your quit laughable argument that gouvernement forces you but religion doesnt?
Or how Logic and science have no place in religion?