The new red wave is already here

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    U.S. Census Bureau


    Call it a roaring red wave of the 2020s. And this time, it’s actually materialized, unlike during the red wave that was predicted for the 2022 midterm elections…


    …In most of these states, the recipe for the exodus has three primary ingredients:

    (1) Taxes. Californians’ earnings are taxed at 13.3 percent. Residents of New Jersey and New York see their earnings taxed at 10.75 percent and 8.82 percent, respectively. But if you live in Florida or Texas or Tennessee, your income is taxed at 0.0 percent.

    (2) Crime: Things are so bad in progressive San Francisco that it fired its district attorney last year. New York saw a record 4,500-plus police officers resign as violent crime rose 22 percent from the year before. And Mayor Lori Lightfoot is in serious jeopardy of losing her reelection bid in Chicago, with 71 percent of voters saying that the city is headed in the wrong direction, according to one poll. Crime is the major reason why.

    (3) Traffic. According to a study by U.S. News and World Report, the most congested cities in the country with the worst commutes are as follows: Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York,
    Washington, D.C., Los Angeles and San Francisco…






    https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/3854794-the-new-red-wave-is-already-here/









    The author really nails it here. The demographic and revenue numbers tell the story. The change in tax receipts between states is also documented. The numbers don’t lie.
     
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    The blue states and their bi coastal secular progressive urban elites are destroying their areas and people are leaving rather than be ruled over by those people.
     
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    How often do they adjust the electorate to accommodate the changing population? Isn't the census only every 10 years?
     
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    Let me ask you a simple question. If I remember correctly you are a right wing individual living in a very blue state. If that is the case then you prove that the state you live in does not change your political view. If you were to move to another blue state will you all of a sudden because a liberal democrat.

    Based on your answers to the above question now lets consider this simple scenario. If a liberal leaves a blue state and moves to a red state will they now have conservatives views? Will they wake up in their new state and now be anti abortion, pro guns, and become MAGA? Also consider even in red states most city areas are blue and rural areas are red. Do you think when this urban dwelling liberal leaving the blue state is going to move to the city or in some rural area of the new state?
     
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    It is but people moving can take away a vote in one district and add it to another even if it doesn’t affect balance between the states for another 10 years.
     
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    It is conservatives in areas of the state that’s totally controlled by Democrats that are leaving here and taking their talent, their business, their employees, and their tax base out of here to red states where they do much better. The income and tax receipts of the states show this. Those of us who are conservatives living in far outlying areas of the state where locally at least we are in the majority, control our own school boards, small city councils, water boards, farm boards, county board of supervisors and have one of the hand full of republicans in the state legislature and us house aren’t so affected as we are far enough away from them for them to control us as shown by Covid lockdown and mask defiance and our lower incomes aren’t in those higher tax brackets though our lower cost of living makes us well enough off. So we mostly stay for now, as many of us live in physically beautiful areas.
     
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    Do you have data to support this assertion that the people moving out of blue states are conservatives. Everything I have read and seen seem to imply they are often young middle class families moving for lower housing cost and jobs. Often they are professional and are in IT where working remotely is also an option. Examples I have seen like Nashville show tech workers migrating from California as firms relocate or open there. I have never seen break down of the migration along political affiliations but the changes to the cities seem to be they become more progressive because of the migration. I remember one documentary suggesting they transform their new homes to versions of what they moved from. They interviewed the locals and most seem extremely happy with the change. I will see if I can find that documentary online.
     
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    You have convinced me. I am packing up my bags and moving to Memphis. No taxes and no crime there. :rolleyes:
     
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    Just about anywhere else in my birth state would be a better choice than that.
     
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    There are blue cities even in the red states. They are run much like the blue ones in blue states are.
     
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    Taxes are not really an issue, the issue is taxes measured across states insofar as how the taxes are spent. If a state with higher taxes has a better record of fiscal management, paying bills, fewer deficits, schools have their supplies, roads are getting fixed, then that isn't necessary a bad thing. With that , then you'll have a meaningful look at whether taxes, per se , are wise. also must be factored in is 'who are paying the taxes'? If a state with no taxes has a record of fiscal chaos, roads not getting fixed, school supply shortages, and government being run into the ground, then 'no taxes' aren't a good thing at all. You have to look at the bigger picture, and your stat just doesn't reflect this and so you are cherry picking.
    This is an 'incidental' statistic. That is one in which the following statement is true; 'Correlation is not causation'. People who live in cities tend to be minorities and they tend to vote democratic, and in cities, crime is going to be worse than rural states, by nature, not by 'party affiliation'.

    However, bucking that incidental fact, is the fact that murder rates are higher in Red states ( see below)
    This is an 'incidental' statistics That is one in which the following statement is true; 'Correlation is not causation'. People who live in cities tend to be minorities and they tend to vote democratic, but and in cities, traffic is going to be worse than rural states, by nature, not by 'party affiliation'.
    Isn't it fun to cherry pick data?

    Murder rates highest in red states who voted for Trump

    https://www.axios.com/2023/01/27/murder-rate-high-trump-republican-states

    8 of the 10 states whose populations are without health insurance are in double digits have Republican governors with Texas leading at 16.7%

    How many more cherry picked stats would you like me to offer you that 'prove' Blue states are superior to red states?


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    8 of the top 10 states with the highest per capita GDP are BLUE states


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    Then there’s this from the linked article:


    “The wealth of tax revenue coming from an influx of new residents has helped red state governors such as Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.).

    Meanwhile, in New York, Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul is proposing a $227 billion budget for fiscal year 2024. Compare that number to Florida’s proposed budget, which comes in at $115 billion.
    Why the comparison to New York? Because Florida has a larger population (21.78 million) than the Empire State (19.84 million), yet it spends half as much money to run the state. “This is just people voting with their feet,” DeSantis said in November.”
     
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    NY is a much bigger economy and a much, much, MUCH higher household income.

    “New York is the third-richest state in the United States, with a GDP of $1,705,127,000. New York's median household income is the 15th-highest among all states at $72,108.

    Florida has a GDP of $1,111,614,000. Florida's median household income is below the national median at $59,227.”

    So there IS that.

    “Figures don’t lie but liars figure.”
     
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