The NRA has blocked gun violence research for 20 years

None, because as I said you would struggle to get them through security now.
None before 911 either, though....

 

Which narrow point? That there is no magic karate chop that can stop a bullet?

 

Why trust in the good nature of the criminal that is already breaking the law and facing prison? Should a woman about to be raped, just comply?
Let's face it, your agenda is violating a basic Right and the disarming of America, and most Americans will tell you, even non gun owners, to take a hike.

 

What the Constitution is concerned about is the extent to which the government can spoil your fun.
2A does not provide any right whatsoever, it merely restricts the powers of government to interfere with your life.

 

I routinely carried a large folding knife when I flew. While I don't carry a knive or gun on a plane anymore unless I am piloting it, I am always armed.

 

On that we agree.

 

Rationalize cowardice all you want. You don't know the circumstances of how he was captured. That Marine was in a war-zone, and the circumstances of his capture might have involved him in a firefight, running out of ammo and being captured. Or knocked unconscious during a fight, perhaps by a concussive explosion. Or, yes, he might have chosen to surrender... a foolish decision considering how Jihadis treat Americans. No, you fight savagely and without mercy until they either kill you or you prevail. You don't surrender. There is a video online (too graphic to be posted here) where an Iraqi soldier was in the hands of Jihadis preparing to execute him and two others. When the would-be assassin put his AK to the back of the soldier's head the soldier (who was not bound) threw himself backwards, knocked the assassin to the ground, seized the rifle. He then killed his captors in a brief but intense firefight. So long as you are alive, you fight. Period. You may not survive, but so long as you have it in you to stay in the fight you might just prevail. No one's going to be able to tie me up unless I'm unconscious first.

 

...and that statement is false. Period. Your point is invalid.

 

Criminals are going to get guns. That's just reality.

A person with his gun to your head is quite likely going to kill you. You can choose to meekly submit and "just comply", but all you are choosing to do is "chance your life to good fortune"; the good fortune the guy with his gun to your head isn't going to arbitrarily execute you. I choose to take the fighting chance, and if he puts a gun to my head I'm going to do everything in my power to take that gun away from him and empty it into his face.

 

If the circumstances means you will otherwise die, yeah.

My agenda? My agenda is to keep guns in the hands of the responsible and law abiding and reduce criminal ownership.

 

Yeah, I knew a woman who made that choice. She will tell anyone who listen how rape is a fate worse than death. She is now a martial arts and firearms instructor.

No, it's not. You've already stated you would willingly ban all gun ownership and confiscate guns from those who own them, legally or otherwise. There is only one way to reduce criminal ownership, and that is to reduce the number of criminals.

 

Yeah, but we can't do that - people have the right to be criminals, and we have no place to question their choices.

 

It is true. Period. Your point is invalid.

Some will, undoubtedly, but we should at least try to minimise that.

Possibly, but not probably. I think its better that your assailant isn't armed at all. What do you think?

Depends on the situation. Certainly if you have a ransom value you are best just sitting it out.

 

and alive

Did I say that? I think the closest I came was disarming registered gun owners outside the militia, if necessary. Correct me if I'm wrong there...

 

how does a militia function effectively if people cannot own and use a firearm before answering the call up? you must believe a militia is the same as a standing army

 

That's an odd thing to say. People do not have the right to be criminals. They have the right to free choice, within the boundaries of the law. Perhaps you expressed your actual position poorly?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

 

That depends on the standards we apply to "well organized militia". I think it was Jefferson that considered some annual get together. I would suggest membership by community vouchsafing, some basic rules about safe storage, use and skills maintenance...

 

Ah. What irony were you seeking to expose?

 

and anyone with even half a brain realizes this will have no impact on those who cannot legally own firearms yet commit at least 80% of the firearm utilized crimes of violence. Proving to me, your real goal is not to decrease "gun crime" but to harass legal gun owners and impede legal gun ownership

 

Well, there you have it. It was always coming. Calling our military personnel cowards. Nice.

Easier than trianing them in your bullet avoiding karate manoeuvres, isn't it?

 

I agree, actually.
Which is why the first point of call is to cut off supply of new weapons, register what weapons you can and then follow the policy of attrition of unregistered firearms, all before you even consider disarming non-militia.
You are talking a long horizon - 20-25 years or even more.

 

20-25yrs...after you repeal the 2nd.

 

My point is based in fact and yours.... isn't. With proper training you can defeat an opponent with a gun. THAT is fact. The examples are well documented. I've even done it myself. What have you done?? Besides cower in surrender to the slightest aggression?

What you think isn't relevant. You can't prevent a committed assailant from arming himself. It is categorically impossible.

The only value you possess to a terrorist is as a propaganda tool. You are a sheep to be slaughtered, nothing more. I will not surrender meekly. Ever.

 

I'm not calling our military personnel cowards. I am flatly stating that you want to rationalize cowardice. Your visceral reactions and your sneering dismissal of how one can and should fight back when confronted, arguing in favor of groveling in fear for your life, are the very definition of the term.

"Fight back! Whenever you are offered violence, fight back! The aggressor does not fear the law, so he must be taught to fear you. Whatever the risk, and at whatever the cost, fight back!" - Jeff Cooper