The Perils of No Child Left Behind

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    I'm not looking at this through a political lens. I'm interested in thoughts about the future workforce in the US...

    From: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/educ...QZbNS-gMA9KQD0tipO4xPRHmWXs_OJ019w2dM3_8VDb6E

    The midterms are behind us. No, not the elections, but the midterm exams that have been a staple of college syllabi for decades. That’s when students sharpen their virtual pencils, review the yellow highlights in articles and books they’ve read, and attempt to offer cogent, well-written, analytical, and targeted essays.

    Each of us has been teaching and grading undergraduates for more than 35 years. We each use a structure for midterm exams in which we distribute a series of questions well in advance of the test day. Students are told that the test will include a subset of these questions. No surprises. This should be comforting, because with adequate preparation, everyone can get a good grade.

    We have been using this midterm format for decades. In the past few years, however, something has seemed dramatically different. When they spoke in class, our students were just as knowledgeable as their counterparts a decade ago—perhaps even more so. But the mere thought of a written exam created palpable fear in our classrooms.

    Students told us that even with lead time, the task of defending a thesis developed from several sources and numerous class discussions was a herculean challenge. And for good reason: According to the most recent nationwide assessment of American high school seniors’ writing skills, in 2011, only one in four can construct an essay that is coherent and well-structured, with ideas presented clearly, logically, and effectively. Writing had been periodically assessed prior to 2011; the proportion of 17-year-olds classified as “proficient” had not significantly improved since 1998. This year, ACT scores showed similar stagnancy. Indeed, students did worse on all college-ready benchmarks, including measures of reading, writing, math, and science.

    International comparisons reveal that American students are not as strong as others at defending arguments or critically evaluating a text. Their Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) scores in critical reading hover around the international average, placing the U.S. 24th among participating countries—behind Singapore, Canada, Slovenia, and the U.K. American students perform at PISA’s level three competency, where readers can: “recognize the relationship between several pieces of information…integrate several parts of a text to identify the main idea…take into account many features in comparing, contrasting, or categorizing…and reflect on a text in relation to familiar everyday knowledge.” However, they have difficulty when asked to “use formal or public knowledge to hypothesize about or critically evaluate a text.” The 2018 version of the test intends to ask whether students can go beyond retrieving the facts to evaluating the veracity of the texts, and integrating and synthesizing information in ways that allow new ideas to surface. Our prediction is that American students will fare poorly on this assessment.

    When we asked colleagues across the country if they too had noted that their students had trouble writing, they uniformly said, “yes.” One professor, from a high-ranking state university, told us that this semester she deviated from her syllabus to take two full days to review the idea of a topic sentence and to help her students better understand how to marshal evidence to support the claims made in their statements. Another, from a highly ranked private college, wrote in a recent Facebook post that he took time out of his class to explain how to write, noting that his students had no idea what they did not know.

    WHAT IS GOING ON? WHY ARE TODAY’S COLLEGE JUNIORS SO ILL-PREPARED FOR ESSAY EXAMS?


    Here’s a thought: Today’s juniors in college are the first cohort of students who spent their entire public education under the educational reform law known as No Child Left Behind (NCLB).

    In January of 2002, No Child Left Behind became the law of the land. Signed by George W. Bush, and with rare bipartisan support, the law offered a fresh and well-intended response to our failing education system. Americans had been warned in 1975 that we were a “Nation at Risk” and that the demise of our public schools was akin to an “act of war.” Something had to be done. NCLB created sweeping reforms that would leave an indelible mark on teachers and students alike. It promised to refashion education, with a sharp focus on reading and mathematics and little time for extras like social studies, physical education, music, or recess. And it would elevate the need for accountability by testing students regularly and publicizing schools’ performance.

    We agree that children are likely to learn more when they are tested on their knowledge–hence our own midterm exams. Scientific research strongly suggests that testing helps students learn. Yet, for this to be the case, it is important to give the right kind of tests. Those adopted by the states in response to NCLB were largely fill-in-the-blank, one-right-answer tests that never asked students to defend a position or to find different pathways to come to a defensible conclusion. In fact, many contend that NCLB, and to some extent the testing craze that has continued under the implementation of the Common Core, is the antithesis of the active learning approach that has been endorsed repeatedly by those who study the science of learning. A flurry of books raised these concerns in the hope that education would become more than teaching to the test. That was largely not to be.

    And so, we college professors have inherited a cohort of students whose writing skills have left them behind students in other parts of the developed world. The business community requires that America have a modern workforce equipped with 21st century skills like collaboration, communication, critical thinking, and creative innovation. But America’s students are being trained to parrot answers in a fashion that allows them—and their schools—to thrive in the NCLB culture.

    Our students are, not surprisingly, very good at memorizing and regurgitating small bits of information—as far as we can discern, they are better at this than past cohorts. But that skill won’t be enough to succeed in the workplace of the future. In order for that to happen, our elementary and secondary schools need to make sure that students learn how to think. While teaching facts and rules are critical, sheer memorization is no longer as important as it once was. Students can access facts at their fingertips, retrieving millions of hits in fractions of a second. We must teach our students how to think critically about these facts and write in a way that reflects this skill. Only then will they be ready for the college classrooms of today and the workplaces of tomorrow.
     
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    And this has translated into the job market with people entering who don't feel the need to WORK for what they deserve. They want it handed to them. Sounds familiar.
     
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    An excellent analysis. I've never been able to find in the Constitution where the federal government has any authority to regulate education, but I'm too old-fashioned in that regard.

    NCLB sounds like a great slogan, but making it work is very much another matter, and the unintended consequences of most federal legislation are notorious and harmful.

    Actually reading and actually writing are skills from the past. Today's generations are slaves to the internet and 'social media'. A pity.
     
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    Students can’t do simple reading, math, or writing assignments, but they know global warming inside and out. And they know Trump is a Nazi.

    They inevitably regurgitate what they’re taught.
     
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    Most humans regurgitate what they're taught, and Americans do it better than most. And Americans are very seldom taught the truth about contemporary events.
     
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    Parents suck at raising kids when they can't take time to educate their children..
     
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    Today's students are trained for the mandatory testing. That leaves little time for the important skills of developing an argument (thesis) and supporting it. They know the headlines and the basic talking points from today's news, but can't discuss them with any competence. I see this negatively impacting the future of business and politics.
     
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    When did it become the responsibility of parents to teach their children how to write essays? How to develop an argument and provide several sources of evidentiary material? What, exactly, are the schools responsible for teaching in your mind?
     
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    No Child Left Behind was a horrible Teddy Kennedy/George Bush product....but the entire Dept of Education, a Jimmy Carter product, has been horrible for Americans
     
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    When did it become the parents responsibility to teach their children? Since the beginning of human beings existing.
     
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    Blame it on the Vietnam War

    Drug soaked baby boomers reached full adulthood about the time that a democrat congress stabbed the south Vietnamese in the back and forced them to surrender to the communists

    So the hippy Age of Aquarius ended and the first American generation that was less capable than its parents was forced to find jobs

    And what better place for radicalized leftwingers to go than academia where teachers are not penalized for poor performance?

    I know liberals hate NCLB

    but it was an attempt to make up problems created by baby boomers in education dating back 20 years before
     
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    I didn't ask when it became the parents' responsibility to teach in general - I was specific about critical thinking and writing skills. What is the point of education?
     
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    To draw pay from taxes.It has always been a parents jobs to help their kids learn...
     
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    Ah, I remember my SAT's well. I graded above average in both reading and writing(upper 600's in both) but I lament that I sucked mathematically. That's why I chose politics/entrepreneurship as a career avenue and not anything mathematically oriented lol.
     
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    So you work for free?
     
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    I am a high school drop out and I didn't finish college...I wasn't dumb enough to sit still for a decade.
     
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    I don't see how but you must know..
     
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    Nobody stops being educated but the individual and their free will of not wanting to be educated.
     
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    Look at the education system in America
     
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    There was a study done in 2015 by the US Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy and their finding were staggering with nearly 20% of high school graduates deemed illiterate.

    No child left behind act is a travesty and the department of education should be eliminated. Private institutions pay their teachers better and their students are WAY more proficient academically. Even publicly funded charter schools are laying waist to the public school system.
     
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    And history.

    One textbook I saw had three paragraphs on Cesar Chavez (community organizer among illegal farm workers in the 1960’s and 1970’s). But it had just one paragraph on George Washington.

    Can you say bias? What about revisionist history?
     
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    "Public" education has been dumbing things down for decades.

    I see what my students and coworkers in "college" are putting out when they ask me to review their papers.

    Its utter crap.
     
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    Again, the system I created worked for my kids I didn't wait for the public school system to catch up to my abilities.
     
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