The "Shut 'er downers"

Why wait until 2016 for self-destruction?

The ultra-conservative Washington Examiner report suggests that Republican politicians may not want to heed the deranged encouragement of their strident fun seekers.

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"Jump! Jump!"​

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The "Shutdown the government to prevent ObamaCare" movement is going no where.
This would be political suicide on a huge scale, and only the ultra wackos favor it.
I mean people who describe themselves as conservative Republicans are split evenly on the issue.
With every other demographic solidly opposed.
That's not going anywhere.

 

Boehner and the Boys' try to placate the berserkers, but their chronic empty repeal ritual is now deemed a pathological obsessive/compulsive disorder, as well as a frivolous renunciation of public duty.

It is revealing that there has been no comparable "Repeal RomneyCare" frenzy by Massachusetts TPs. (In a poll of MA residents, with the benefit of six years of actual experience, 62% supported it; only 33% opposed.) The positive response has caused comparable ideological resistance to fizzle. Fear mongering fails when it confronts reality.

Jonathan Gruber, the MIT economist who was the principle architect of both RomneyCare and then ObamaCare: "It’s the ‘same f---ing bill!"

 

And there lies the problem for the GOP.
After 6 years of ObamaCare the numbers will be about the same as Massachusetts, and Democrats will be getting the credit for another hugely popular program, like Social Security or Medicare.
Worse than that, they have branded the program with the name of a Democratic Icon, imagine Roosevelt Security, or Johnson Care.

Health Care reform was and is inevitable, in hindsight, the GOP could have gotten ahead of the Democrats, and put something in place, and it wouldn't have been much different from ObamaCare, but they'd be getting credit or sharing credit, instead, they'll be like the people who were against Social Security and Medicare.

 

Well, it wasn't as if they hadn't tried:

 

Guarantee you Reince Priebus, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Mitch McConnell saw that poll or similar internal polling WEEKS ago....hence their abject rejection of a "Shutdown or Defund" plan.

Also guarantee you, Cruz, Rubio, Lee, Gohmert, Bachmann and the various ditto-heads, Hannitized, Becker-heads, etc......won't believe that polling and will call it "skewed".

 

I don't believe the issue was or is about healthcare. Obama could have proposed an end to flies in potato salad and Republicans would've been against it.

 

The GOP got out in front of Democrats the way Custer got out in front of Crazy Horse.

 

This is what makes political conversations so hard. The Republicans have no credibility when they come out and say "this thing Obama wants to do is bad" because they say that, literally, EVERY SINGLE TIME, big or small.

Sometimes they're going to be right, but nobody except their diehard supporters are going to believe them because they've been crying wolf every day for the last 6 and a half years.

 

Republicans have been so ridiculous and so wrong so many times that a lot of Americans are accepting Dem positions even when THOSE positions are wrong. That's the chance you take when you constantly sound like you need a 30-day panty shield.

 

The smouldering spat within the dysfunctional Boehner Bunch is about to go ballistic.

The wacko birds clearly recognize that the implementation of nationalized individually-mandated WillardCare will repeat the success of its Massachusetts model, and that has them in a tizzy!

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Of course. The non-fanatics realize that a government shutdown is not in anyone's interest. Unfortunately, the up-and-coming radicals in the Republican party, egged on by the Tea Party, do not. They seem to think that government is a game, one they only want played with their rules.

 

Boehner has the last hand to play, when Ted Cruz lays down his and tries to reach for the pot...

getting Pelosi to back a CR with enough Democrats to make-up for defecting Tea Party Republicans. He then blames the failure of "defunding Obamacare" on Reid (maybe even Cruz) and says "We HAD to pass this...to protect seniors and the military." Same deal on the Debt Ceiling hike.

 

The Republicans do not WANT to shut down the government. Obama wants to have a government shut down so he can blame it on Republicans and force them to agree to his higher spending and continuation of Obamacare even though it is failing and will sink the economy even more. What is his compromise with them that will avert a shutdown?

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Delay Obamacare, no shutdown, simple all Obama has to do is agree to compromise so he doesn't shutdown government.

 

As an independent, this is what scares me. The GOP is ruining themselves and it's not a good thing. I wish they would wake up from their butt-hurt temper tantrum and realize that they're killing themselves. Democrats aren't always right, and I don't want some extreme leftist to become President. It could happen as soon as 2020 imo at the current rate of progression of the GOP slow suicide.

 

You know very well that the GOP will get the majority of the blame if the shutdown happens. You can disagree with people who blame them all you want, but you know who's getting the blame.

 

basically what's going to happen is this. the house is sending the senate a bill with the "defund obamacare" provision attached. The senate will strip this provision, this is guaranteed. So the regular budget bill, without the "defund obamacare" provision, will be sent back to the house for approval. This is where the fun begins. Boehner can prevent the bill from going to a vote, at which point the republicans will automatically be blamed for a shutdown. If he puts it to a vote, and the democrats win the vote, then the republicans will be handed a legislative defeat. If it goes to a vote, and the republicans block the bill, then the government shuts down and the republicans will be blamed again. So it's a lose lose proposition for the GOP. Not sure why they're doing this. Only explanation is--they've become the party of crazy.

 

The Republicans announced they will not fund Obamacare but will fund the rest of the government. They are clearly NOT for shutting down the government.

 

Shut It Down, So What ​

The worst thing I know of that ever happened during a government shut down was
Bill encountered Monica in the empty halls of the White House.

It matters more to "them" because they are surrounded by staff who cannot be paid.
For the rest of us, so what !


Moi
Shut It Down !

 

Obama is the one that SHOULD be blamed for freight-training this legislation before it's implications could be fully investigated. However, IMO it was written PURPOSELY vague (as most law is) for later manipulative political advantage so, pushing it through when Obama wore a halo was of utmost importance. Pelosi gave it away when she suggested it be passed THEN we actually read it.

All that being said, it will, IMO, come down to which party has a more powerful media and, so far, it has been the Democrats.

 

Ironically, the worst part of the law is the insurance mandate, not government subsidies for the poor.

I think the Republicans should try to repeal Obamacare, but keep the subsidies as a compromise.

 

That's because everything the insane, sociopathic mass murdering commie koranimal does is wrong.

 

You forgot Dog eating Socialist war criminal.

 

No one really wants a shutdown. The game is about who or what people will blame once it happens. There is strong public opposition (justified or not) to the healthcare act with less than half the population viewing it favorably.

The republicans will throw everything they have in convincing the public that the shutdown will be the fault of democrats tied to a destructive new policy.

When push comes to shove thats the way it will play out. Statisticians will decide who will receive the most blame from a shutdown and the side with the most public blame will back down. If the republicans win Obama will most likely push for delayed implementation and institute a huge educational campaign about the effects of the healthcare act on individuals. If the democrats win the republicans will continue to obstruct funding and implementation and challenge the bill constitutionally.

 

The US has needed health care legislation for 60 years.
During that time the Democrats have been blocked by the GOP.
There was a brief opportunity to get Health Insurance on the books, and the Democrats seized the moment.
The GOP had 60 years to work on bi-partisan health insurance, Obama wanted the bill to be bi-partisan, but the GOP refused to participate.
So we have what we have, which is the best possible bill, under the circumstances.