The Texas Lie: TX Dead Last in Job Creation

There's an easier way to it and you'll actually look like you know what you're talking about. You can look for statistics.

http://www.bls.gov/home.htm

Here's a good place to start.

 

Ah yes, statistics. They don't bode well for the Texas Miracle, however... these are all stats for the State of Texas from the BLS:

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LASST48000003​

Clearly, the TX unemployment rate is pretty well stuck at its max -- 8.2% (that's the chart on the lower left for you Maryland transplants), so whatever jobs are being created in TX over the past 1.5 years are just keeping up with the increase in population (workers)... the exact same situation that Obama is facing (a stagnant unemployment rate).

So, if Perry claims a miracle in merely keeping the TX unemployment rate unchanged over the past year and a half, then I guess Obama deserves a halo too, eh?

 

Not really. You people act as if the rest of the country doesn't have high unemployment as well. Compared to the rest of the country, Texas is doing pretty well. The unemployment rate in Texas is lower than it is in the following States:

Alabama 9.9
Arizona 9.3
California 11.8
Colorado 8.5
Connecticut 9.1
D.C 10.4
Florida 10.6
Georgia 9.9
Idaho 9.4
Illinois 9.2
Indiana 8.3
Kentucky 9.6
Michigan 10.5
Mississippi 10.3
Missouri 8.8
Nevada: 12.4
New Jersey: 9.5
New York 9.0
North Carolina 9.9
Ohio: 8.8
Oregon: 9.4
Rhode Island: 10.8
South Carolina: 10.5
Tennessee: 9.8
Washington: 9.2
West Virginia: 8.5

The only States that I did not name was:

Alaska
Arkansas
Delaware
Colorado
Hawaii (lower than the nations but doesn't count)
Louisiana
Maine
Pennsylvania
Utah
Wisconsin
Wyoming

Note: I also left out some states like Hawii due to the fact that states like this has never seen unemployment higher than 6 percent because of population (Have you guys ever been here? Come on).

In short. I don't know why people are acting like Perry is a hypocrite because his unemployment is high. Unemployment is high everywhere, but his unemployment rate is manageable. Everyone else's is out of control and his state is doing much better than everyone else.

 

Ugh! I wish there was a way to save BLS data for all states without having to do it individually

 

LOL... inventing strawmen to save your argument? Feel free to waste your own time, but please don't waste mine.

'We people' are acting like Perry is full of (*)(*)(*)(*) when it comes to his claimed job-creating skills. The facts prove us out (as if the smell alone was insufficient). Other than tracking 1% lower than the composite federal number, TX unemployment is in the same boat (stagnant). There is no miracle there, except perhaps in Perry's hair
.

 

The fallacy in your logic, and that of this "standard" (?) linkage of jobs-to-population correlative coefficient is that it assumes conditions that may or may not apply.

It says that just because there are more people that there should be more jobs, right? But this obviates the all-important factor of market dynamics, which are overpowering and multifacted, and include (as Obama recently told us) earthquakes halfway around the world, uprisings against governments in the Middle East, and lousy weather.... Spin-doctors can have a ball concocting any "reality" they want unless they are held to the hard line of how many jobs were created, period!

But your argument does have one single point of relevance: What is the percentage of the working-age population that is actually working? THAT is the place we see the correlation between population and jobs! And in that respect, too, Texas is a good example of progress: in June of 2011, the last month for which figures were available, Texas had 8.2% unemployment. In the same time period, the national unemployment rate was 9.2%. Sure, we all want it to be less than 5%, but if one of the five most economicially important states in the nation can post a number that is dramatically improved compared with the rest of the country, then why are Democrats so anxious to criticize it?

I am not saying that Perry is the "Moses" to lead us to the "Promised Land", but isn't it obvious by now that the former junior senator from Illinois is NOT...?

 

We are sorry Sparks, but your graphs are useless here. After we have found out that 57+1=57, we can no longer trust your graphs, math or logic.

 

A for effort but F for logic.

Texas hasn't had a net loss in job numbers since December of last year. So Texas is not in the same boat.

Series Id: SMS48000000000000001

Seasonally Adjusted
State: Texas
Area: Statewide
Supersector: Total Nonfarm
Industry: Total Nonfarm
Data Type: All Employees, In Thousands


Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10588.6(P)

 

seems like Perry has the Dems running skeered LOL

maybe facts such as these

http://www.texasbusiness.com/keywor...reation,-nonfarm-payroll,-unemployment-rate,-

I find these lib attacks funny as hell considering that now 71% of the US thinks Barrack Obama has been a complete failure in the handling of the economy.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/149042/New-Low-Approve-Obama-Economy.aspx

 

that sums it up

liberals must keep moving the target. A job is a job but, now liberals won't count them if they are low paying jobs. They should be happy because those with jobs pay fed income tax, SS and also consume items.

 

but for some reason a saved job is a job to libs LOL

 

the difference is quite telling

Conservatives believe that a rising tide lifts all ships. In other words, we want what is best for the country and all Americans.

Liberals want what is best for Obama and to heck with the country.

 

Thank you for those links. They contain some very interesting information.

For instance, the US counties with the largest RAW NUMBER increase in employment (in thousands):

Harris, Texas 35.6
Dallas, Texas 22.4
Montgomery, Texas 3.6
Travis, Texas 15.2
Denton, Texas 3.2

Harris Count, TX received $2,019,034,873 in stimulus funds. Harris has a population of 4,070,989 ($496). Even while Harris County, TX had a HUGE increase in jobs, it's unemployment rate still went up. It actually increased .6% from 2009 to 2010. Your chart shows that Harris County, TX put up 35,000 new jobs between 2009-2010. I'm just going to drop the point there and let someone else put 2 and 2 together...

Dallas County received $861,563,713 w/ a pop of 2,451,730 ($351). It's unemployment rate increased between 2009-2010.

Montgomery County, Texas received $171,264,852 w/ a pop of 447,718 ($383). It's unemployment rate increased between 2009-2010.

So thanks for the information. It shows that the counties with the largest growth in jobs received stimulus funds. ALL of them, even the counties not located in Texas.

So then I decided to look a bit further and took a look at Counties in the "largest percentage of increases in jobs" part of the table. ALL these counties received stimulus funds.

Elkhart, IN - unemployment rate declined
Benton, WA - unemployment rate declined
Peoria County, IL - unemployment rate declined
Washington County, PA - unemployment rate declined
LeHigh County, PA - unemployment rate remained unchanged
Kings, NY - unemployment rate declined by more than 2 percent
Washington County, Ore. - unemployment rate remained unchanged

Travis County, TX received $16,000,220,322 w/ a pop of 1,026,158 ($15,592). It's unemployment rate increased slightly between 2009-2010.

Denton County, TX received $172,305,355 w/ a pop of 658,616 ($262). It's unemployment went up slightly between 2009-2010.


I probably should've stopped there because I know that 98% of the people on this site probably stopped reading this post around the second sentence or so but what the hell, might as well continue...

I took a look at "Average weekly wage in large counties" and noticed that not one of the 31 counties in any of the 3 categories was in TX.

So the information that you provided did an EXCELLENT job in supporting the assertions that I made in the OP. Sure, you presented it as a foil to the idea that Texas was the worst job creator among the states, but it's important to note that, as demonstrated above, even the TX counties that made the top board in job creation still saw their unemployment rate INCREASE thereby confirming yet another point I made in the OP.

 

I got this link from the BLS


http://www.doleta.gov/Programs/2009ReportsAndPlans/Economic_Analysis_Reports/TX-WideOpen.pdf

Employment performance.

 

Your circumlocution ignores the main idea for using such a relation: If you have 100 people in your labor force (that's the number of people who are actively seeking work), it is better to have 90% of those people working than 80%.

You're ignoring the forest and looking at individual trees. The unemployment rate in Texas INCREASED from 2009-2010 even while the unemployment rate in the US declined.

 

Yes, we're all familiar with the "trickle-down" theory of Republican Economics.

Is that why President Obama is taking heat for compromising with the right? He's not just taking SOME heat, he's getting hit pretty hard. That's where the higher disapproval rates are coming from.

Liberals want whats best for the ENTIRE country, not just a select few. So yeah, we want Obama to succeed in putting the country back on the right footing as opposed to the right-wing that is so obsessed with taking Obama out that they are willing to consider the entire country as collateral damage in order to see that goal.

 

Yes, thank you for providing that:

"Texas saw a decrease in employment in 2009, according to preliminary data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), losing 220,000 seasonally adjusted nonfarm jobs between January 2009 and December 2009."

"Texas saw a total loss of 277,400 nonfarm jobs from December 2008 to December 2009, an annual job loss of 2.6 percent, according to data published in the January 2010 Monthly Review of the Texas Economy."

"The Texas Manufacturing industry sector saw a net loss of 89,800
jobs in 2009, representing a 9.9 percent decline. The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas monthly data also indicate declines in many of Texas’ major industry sectors throughout 2009, including the manufacturing sector."

 

Errata:

Should be changed to:

For instance, Texas counties with the largest RAW NUMBER increase in employment (in thousands):

Harris, Texas 35.6
Dallas, Texas 22.4
Montgomery, Texas 3.6

 

Please don't put 2 and 2 together. You end up sounding ignorant. And I would ask you to where you get your statistics from but I know you don't have the best credibility when it comes to research. So I did it all for you.

Unemployment hasn't increased between 2009 and 2010:

2009 Jun 8.8(E)
2009 Jul 8.8(E)
2009 Aug 8.6(E)
2009 Sep 8.6(E)
2009 Oct 8.6(E)
2009 Nov 8.4(E)
2009 Dec 8.4(E)
2010 Jan 9.2(E)
2010 Feb 9.1(E)
2010 Mar 9.0(E)
2010 Apr 8.6(E)
2010 May 8.6(E)
2010 Jun 9.0(E)
2010 Jul 9.0(E)
2010 Aug 8.8(E)
2010 Sep 8.7(E)
2010 Oct 8.5(E)
2010 Nov 8.8(E)
2010 Dec 8.5(E)

and Dallas county hasn't had a net lost in since last month but before that their last net lost was in July.

Series Id: CES0500000001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector: Total private
Industry: Total private
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2010 2836.6 2838.3 2846.4 2848.0 2861.0 2866.6 2863.5 2864.7 2866.4 2879.3 2884.0 2888.9
2011 2896.1 2902.1 2916.4 2936.2 2923.8 2929.8(P)

Unemployment hasn't increased between 2009 - 2010

2009 Jun 7.5(E)
2009 Jul 7.5(E)
2009 Aug 7.4(E)
2009 Sep 7.5(E)
2009 Oct 7.5(E)
2009 Nov 7.4(E)
2009 Dec 7.3(E)
2010 Jan 8.0(E)
2010 Feb 7.8(E)
2010 Mar 7.7(E)
2010 Apr 7.4(E)
2010 May 7.4(E)
2010 Jun 7.8(E)
2010 Jul 7.7(E)
2010 Aug 7.6(E)
2010 Sep 7.5(E)
2010 Oct 7.4(E)
2010 Nov 7.5(E)
2010 Dec 7.2(E)

And Montgomery County hasn't had a net lost in Jobs since June of last year.

Series Id: SMS48264200000000001
Seasonally Adjusted
State: Texas
Area: Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX
Supersector: Total Nonfarm
Industry: Total Nonfarm
Data Type: All Employees, In Thousands

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2009 2592.4 2579.4 2566.0 2550.1 2540.8 2531.3 2519.8 2509.9 2506.4 2507.0 2497.4 2495.4
2010 2502.1 2504.2 2512.6 2525.9 2536.5 2533.5 2534.7 2535.8 2538.4 2540.6 2539.5 2541.3
2011 2553.4 2554.9 2560.4 2576.0 2581.3 2587.8(P)

Should I go further in debunking your nonsense or should I stop here because it's really a waste of time.

 

This was really informative. Usually I don't learn any new "facts" on here. But the only thing I knew about this was that Perry had used stimulus money while at the same time calling it failed policy. It would be nice if the Republicans who used the money would stop running around saying it was failed, especially when credible sources say otherwise. And him adding government jobs just puts icing on the cake. Personally as a liberal I have no problem with adding government jobs, but for a conservative who says they want small government, it may give one pause when considering who to support in the GOP primary.

 

The first set of information that you supply are percentages. Even so, if we look at the year-to-year we see that yes, there was an increase in unemployment.

2009 Jun 8.8(E)
2010 Jun 9.0(E)

.2% increase

2009 Jul 8.8(E)
2010 Jul 9.0(E)

.2% increase

And so on.

The second set of information that you supply consists of raw numbers which are virtually useless without relational data.

 

Unemployment above 10% annually:

Series Id: LAUPS18010003,LAUPS18010004,LAUPS18010005,LAUPS18010006
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Area: Elkhart County, IN
Area Type: Counties and equivalents
State/Region/Division: Indiana

2010 Annual 13.6(E)
2011 Annual NA

Series Id: LAUPA53040003,LAUPA53040004,LAUPA53040005,LAUPA53040006

Unemployment hasn't changed.

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Area: Benton County, WA
Area Type: Counties and equivalents
State/Region/Division: Washington

Year Period unemployment rate
2009 Annual 7.2(E)
2010 Annual 7.2(E)

Increase Annually.

Series Id: LAUPS42130003,LAUPS42130004,LAUPS42130005,LAUPS42130006

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Area: Washington County, PA
Area Type: Counties and equivalents
State/Region/Division: Pennsylvania

Year Period unemployment rate
2009 Annual 7.6(E)
2010 Annual 8.2(E)

Increase annually

Series Id: LAUCN42077003,LAUCN42077004,LAUCN42077005,LAUCN42077006

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Area: Lehigh County, PA
Area Type: Counties and equivalents
State/Region/Division: Pennsylvania

Year Period unemployment rate
2009 Annual 8.7(E)
2010 Annual 9.4(E)

Not really

Series Id: LAUCN36047003,LAUCN36047004,LAUCN36047005,LAUCN36047006

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Area: Kings County, NY
Area Type: Counties and equivalents
State/Region/Division: New York

Year Period unemployment rate
2009 Annual 9.9(E)
2010 Annual 10.2(E)

You're right about 1. So far.

Series Id: LAUPA41005003,LAUPA41005004,LAUPA41005005,LAUPA41005006

Not Seasonally Adjusted
Area: Washington County, OR
Area Type: Counties and equivalents
State/Region/Division: Oregon

Year Period unemployment rate
2009 Annual 9.4(E)
2010 Annual 9.1(E)

 

That would be nice if those were actually the annual numbers but they're not.

It's the total non farm payroll collected in both counties. It doesn't need relational data. It includes everything from Private, Government, Construction to Government (local). So nice try spinning. It shows that there hasn't been net loses in job creation.

 

Okay...so did the unemployment rate in the TX counties increase or decrease between 2008-2010? That was the primary focus of that post and this thread.

 

There are over 250 counties in Texas. If you want me to go line by line and give you statistics for all of them that's not going to happen. Certain counties have increases while others have decreases. Some counties lost jobs recent while others didn't.

It's better to go over the state of Texas overall. Texas has a state has increased unemployment over the last year, but so has mostly every state in the union. If you look, at the unemployment of Texas compared to the rest of the country you'll see that it's better than the rest of the union among the states with full employment. These are the states with high unemployment than Texas:

Alabama 9.9
Arizona 9.3
California 11.8
Colorado 8.5
Connecticut 9.1
D.C 10.4
Florida 10.6
Georgia 9.9
Idaho 9.4
Illinois 9.2
Indiana 8.3
Kentucky 9.6
Michigan 10.5
Mississippi 10.3
Missouri 8.8
Nevada: 12.4
New Jersey: 9.5
New York 9.0
North Carolina 9.9
Ohio: 8.8
Oregon: 9.4
Rhode Island: 10.8
South Carolina: 10.5
Tennessee: 9.8
Washington: 9.2
West Virginia: 8.5

These are the states with unemployment lower than Texas:

Alaska
Arkansas
Delaware
Colorado
Hawaii (lower than the nations but doesn't count)
Louisiana
Maine
Minnesota
New Mexico
Pennsylvania
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming