The United States has surged back!

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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Despite the negatives that some need to cherry pick for partisan reasons, the U.S, is putting up impressive numbers in several significant indices - employment, GDP, lowered crime rates, etc.

    E.g.,
    The sexual abuser/business fraud's scheme to have goobers Comer and Jordan slime the President failed when it was exposed that they were attempting to do so by hyping Russian propaganda. Distorting the economic figures will not work either, but they'll keep trying, no doubt.

    it was a damned shame for the nation that Lankford's immigration reform that would have significantly tightened border security was killed because the President would have signed it into law.​
     
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    So here's a question: Why don't we ask Democrats in this forum how they are doing?

    I mean working Democrats, under the age of 40, not older retired who probably bought their home a long time ago when prices were less than half what they are now.
    And I mean Democrats who are not working for government (including not working in public schools).

    I'd be really curious. Do they agree with this assessment that everything is "bright & cheery"?
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The reality is that the United States is doing well in a number of significant metrics.

     
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    "There have been notable increases in certain kinds of crime in some years, including recently. In 2020, for example, the U.S. murder rate saw its largest single-year increase on record - and by 2022, it remained considerably higher than before the coronavirus pandemic."

    But they immediately then say:
    "Preliminary data for 2023, however, suggests that the murder rate fell substantially last year."​

    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/

    You can see a chart here that shows that homicide rates were significantly increased from 2020 to 2022, but then they fell in 2023.
    However, the homicide rate was still a little higher in 2023 than it had been in 2018 or 2019.

    https://www.axios.com/2023/12/28/us-murder-violent-crime-rates-drop


    Here is another interesting article.
    They postulate that due to the phenomena of many big cities cutting police (the "defund the police" movement), lower police response rates led to many people not bothering to report crimes to the police, which had an effect of changing the statistics.
    The official statistics seemed to show crime going down, while at the same time a different survey metric indicated crime is increasing.

    Most crimes are not reported to the police. To help account for the omissions, the National Crime Victimization Survey measures crime in a nationwide household survey of respondents. In contrast to the modest drop shown in the FBI’s violent crime data between 2021 and 2022, the NCVS shows a large increase in violent victimization over the same period.

    The NCVS data include both crimes that were reported to the police and those that were not. The survey’s serious violent crime rate is composed of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault (homicide is not measured in the NCVS). It rose from 5.6 to 9.8 violent crimes per 1,000 population age 12 and older between 2021 and 2022, an increase of 75%. The NCVS aggravated assault rate more than doubled, from 2.7 per 1,000 in 2021 to 5.5 per 1,000 in 2022. The rape and sexual assault rate also rose, from 1.2 to 1.9 victimizations per 1,000, a 58% increase, and the robbery rate increased as well, from 1.7 per 1,000 in 2021 to 2.5 per 1,000 in 2022—a jump of 47%.

    The conflicting signals from our major statistical systems for measuring crime mean we cannot conclude with confidence whether violent crimes, other than homicide, went up or down in 2022.​

    Did Violent Crime Go Up or Down Last Year? Yes, It Did. - Council on Criminal Justice (counciloncj.org)
     
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    "Mexico's president says 'the flow of migrants will continue' if Latin America's requests are not met Mexican President Obrador, nearing the end of his term, warned that the flow of migrants from Latin America into the United State will continue unless billions of aid is sent every year." ​

    Mexico's president says 'the flow of migrants will continue' if Latin America's requests are not met | Fox News Video , March 25, 2024

    Sounds like Mexico is using the migrant situation to extort the U.S. for money.
     
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    The U S continues to do quite well in several significant metrics, but admitting that does not fit with some folks' agenda.

    Trump said FBI data that show homicides and other violent crimes trending down are “fake numbers.” They’re not.

    The FBI data for 2023 are preliminary, but crime statistics experts say the reporting behind the overall downward trend is solid, and that trend is validated when compared to data samples from local and state law enforcement reports.
     
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    How much of that "GDP increase" is simply due to inflation?

    US GDP 2022 $25.44 trillion
    US GDP 2023 $27.36 trillion

    This handy inflation calculator says that $25.44 in 2022 would be worth $26.49 in 2023
    (inflation tool here)

    So if we divide 27.37 by 26.49, it looks that would only be a 3.3% increase (in real value, taking into account inflation).

    Add into that the U.S. population keeps increasing, and the U.S. was still recovering a little bit from the pandemic, and those figures don't look so good, now do they?

    After the Covid pandemic, restaurants had only reopened in the middle of 2021.
    This article says from 2022 to 2023 the country's population increased by 0.53%. (source here)

    Home prices increased by 5.5% from 2022 to 2023. (source here)

    The national debt increased by 6.09% from 2022 to 2023.
    And then 8.22% in 2023. (source here)
     
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    Whenever documented reality does not fit Trump's agenda, the sexual abuser/business fraud lies, with no attempt to substantiate his fake claims.

    E.g., he lost the 2020 presidential election, as confirmed by the certified electoral votes of all 50 states, but he can't handle it, despite numerous recounts, audits, and court challenges confirming the results. He offers no evidence for his lie, has never concocted who "stole" the election from him or how they did it.

    If he runs down the United States, his worshipers embrace his phony claims, of course, contemptuous of the empirical reality.

    His sabotaging Langford's comprehensive legislation to increase border security serves Trump, not the nation, but if it had been enacted and signed by the President, Trump would just have lied about it anyway, and his abject bobbleheads would have parroted his lies.
     
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    Trump claimed consistently that he had Covid "under control, of course. Yet, it's suddenly his excuse for all his failures.

    The fact that the Cry Baby Loser still lies about a certified democratic election he failed to sabotage, so it's hardly surprising that he lies about other documented realities that do not accrue to his glory..
     
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