The US can and should stop threatening Russia

"Pro Russia" ? Please tell me you are still not running around crying Russia Russia .. as if Putin has some big influence on our pay to play electoral system. What is with this really dumb progressive woke trope ? -- that Tulsi Gabbard is a "Russian Stooge" because she is anti war. .. or that it is Anti American to be Anti War.

Is that what it has become Golem ? nothing left but fallacy and irrational argument .. and well "Golden Showers " I guess.

Tell you what is "Anti American" friend -- calling people who call out Gov't Crime's and crimes against humanity .. Anti American. Got your wires crossed and vision upside down drinking way to much of the Blue Koolaid.

 

You didn't know? In the future you might want to understand what the debate is about before jumping in.

I didn't say that hands off approach has not avoided any wars. I am responding to a poster who is talking about WW3.

So even AFTER the context has been explained to you, you are unable to focus?

The part where you don't realize that that is complete made up nonsense.

What is not to love about a corrupt SOB who sells his soul to whatever nut has the most power to get him reelected.

I don't know if anybody has made you aware of this. But your reading comprehension SUCKS! You might want to have that taken a look at that. Before it becomes chronic.

 

Believe it or not, this poster is defending a meme in which the U.S. is accused of wanting a war because we protect NATO countries in the neighborhood of Russia with military bases. He/she calls it "crimes against humanity".

It's impossible not to ask ourselves how Trump managed to turn his faithful into this? Because we all know how TRUMP got converted. One might say that a little "acid rain" was involved in the process...

 

Well there it is. They did provoke Russia.

 

The main problem is the corporate media is lying.
Their motive is to maintain public confidence in our weapons makers (defense contractors)
so we keep up their revenue stream.
And it helps support their best customer; Joe Biden and the Neocons.
Ultimately it isn't possible to understand the crap the corporate media is spewing.

 

Neocon fear mongering propaganda machine .. and yes .. I have seen the pundits from were you are getting this material "Russia is suffering economically .. Russia blah blah Russia" .. some kind of cling on to the woke joke Hillary Trope .. "Russia Russia" harmed our electoral process.

Lets make one thing clear .. not like its our first rodeo .. my arguments against Trump are way better than yours but this Blue Neocon forever war fantasy has nothing to do with Trump or his followers ? Trump is not responsible for the moniker "Genocide Joe" .. although I am sure he would love to use it but would not dare .. being a die Hard supporter of Israel .. even more so than declared Zionist Genocide Joe.

What do you know about Geopolitical situation relating to Russia and the US ? to claim Russia is losing .. Russia is winning .. but that which you heard from the Fog of war pundit show .. Jaded with a heavy pair of thick partisan glasses. .. Got you all turned around .. not knowing up from down .. which I can say with near certainty as every person who was a liberal from back a few decades .. was critical of Israeli war crimes ... had some respect for international law- principles .. geneva convention .. that kind of stuff.

This war in Ukraine was 100% provoked .. and when it did break out .. Biden prevented a cease fire-Peace just weeks later as Putin and Zelensky sitting down for peace talks in Istanbul was scuttled.. Biden telling our latest "JV-Team" .. our proxy soldiers not to worry .. we have their back until the enemy is defeated .. what ever it takes .. and then as History shows -- OH .. Golem History .. you were going to tell us what happened to the Previous JV-Teams ..

How many Billion so far ? --- all in ? --- and at the same time proven to the world how militarily weak we are .. no surge capacity .. and how technology has made our Carrier Groups Obsolete .. .. our Tanks . most of everything sans a few specialty items Planes .. Helicopters ... And everybody knows it .. and is now racing out to purchase this new and or improved technology .. so invest in defense stock of some kind and you will do well.. I was looking at Rheinmetall the other day .. looking good very cool anti drone/missile products .. gonna be hot hot item at the arms shows.

Ukraine is finished as a Nation .. not that it was much before ... a corrupt criminal state to be sure .. but - the territory Russia has so far .. although only 20% .. makes up 70% of the Russian Economy and of course the land along the black sea .. and we may well see Russia take Odesa cutting Ukraine completely of from the Sea .. Its massive strategic move on the Risk board .. What's left of Ukraine .. not good for much but the rats.

The sanctions have been a huge fail .. and that failure has resulted in massive loss for the EU .. massive loss for the US. But I told you this years ago .. need to pay better attention .. when Trump used the Economic Nuclear Option - his unilateral sanctions on Iraq .. of which he forced the entire world to abide ..essentially going to economic war with every nation in the world while having a trade war with China.

Nothing like a war on not 2 but, 100 fronts to get the dumb and dumber juices flowing .. carrot -tops hands down largest blunder .. setting the stage for where we have arrived now the world pretty much forced to create an alternative to the US Dollar as the SOLE reserve currency for international trade.
This is not to say the US dollar will go away .. so don't get to excited .. there will just be a competitor .. and do get a little excited over that friend .. as the day you wake up .. and find there is a valid competitor to the USD .. as medium of international exchange .. is the day the history books will record as the end of the US Economic Empire .. full stop.

And finally .. what is with the support for the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine .. "from the River to the Sea" .. like the Amalek says Bibi and friends .. Genocide Joe declaring himself a Zionist.. for sure Graham as well would be dumb enough to declare publicly his inside voice.

How bout you mate .. signed up for the Zionist band camp at the next Blue fair ?

 

No it doesn't. Why would you believe it does? If Russia "goes home" and doesn't push back against western expansion, Ukraine becomes a puppet state of the USA (which is what was happening before this war) and the USA places troops on Russia's border. Same reason China supports North Korea. If they didn't, and North Korea fell, there would soon after be US troops on China's border. Both want buffer states to keep the US aggression at bay. It is understandable even if you find it objectionable.

 

You mean like this?





'Today' was a bit after the present stage of the
Ukraine War started.

 

I'd guess the myth about if we don't stop Putin in Ukraine he
will take the whole of Europe is based on what we've been
doing in Eastern Europe.

Pres. Putin until we decided to take Ukraine and Georgia and
point missiles at Moscow, and build a gigantic army (680,000)
in Ukraine, it appears Vlad was mainly interested in developing
Russia in a very different direction from the one it has been
forced to do recently. The level of military forces and manufacturing
was fairly low which is why the US thought taking over Russia
would be easy.

It's strange how we are claiming Russia wants to do all the things
we are doing. I guess that's the way Neocons think.

 

Russia was the victim . how ? who is saying Russia is the victim in this illogical way that you have yet to express .. followed by some ridiculous truism - All US needs to do is stop arming Ukraine and it ends - Oh .. except that truism was not so ridiculous

 

Just think had we listened to Chamberlain just maybe WWII doesn’t happen, but don’t say this to brainwashed Americans. Everything they know about WWII is wrong, and most other things.

 

Hamas attacked Israel, Russia attacked Ukraine

that said, Israel should be prevented from starving and killing needlessly innocent Gaza Citizens - I would hope they do not become a genocidal government

 

Most school history books were written by people given grants who had
to give a precis of the chapter or book that was to be written. It was
required to persuade people in a particular way. And since then, every
time the government says to go to war, the people are all in favor.

On every occasion a few years later we ask the same question:
what did we do that for?
But every new war sells like hotcakes, until they get stale.

 

At the time all but 2 members of Congress voted for war in
SE Asia, which they knew meant primarily Vietnam. We
killed 3 million Vietnamese, but nowadays most people
say it was a mistake. Just a mistake, we kept going for
eleven years and did serious damage to the dollar.

99.8% of Congress in favor and still got it wrong, completely
wrong.

And we are doing it again, really.

 

Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin and Putin all belong to the same club. None of them did or have anything to improve the human condition.

 

Hamas attacked Israel in self defense. Israel was attacking Palestinians for decades prior to Oct 7 ... annexing land .. slaughtering civilians .. countless terrorist attacks

As is the case with Russia .. Israel is the Occupier - persecuting the occupied .. Gaza an open air concentration camp .. the envy of the Warsaw Ghetto.

but, regardless .. hamas or no Hamas .. The Palestinian Children did not attack Israel .. Collective punishment - Extermination in this case - of Palestinians for the actions of Hamas . is a war crime .. crime against humanity .. Genocide or no Genocide Bibi is already guilty of Ethnic Cleansing and crimes against humanity.

As the Irish Delegation to the UN said "The Hague is too good for Bibi"

 

You forgot to add Genocide Joe to your list.. killed way more than Putin that cracker.

 

Most MAGA folk see Putin as one of the last true defenders of white privilege and manly Christian values, and they love him for it.

If Putin ran for President in the US 99% of MAGA voters would vote for him.


And yet they call lefties communists. You cant make this crap up.

 

You’re so right. Yet we as a nation have learned nothing from these many foreign wars from Vietnam to today. The massive death and destruction along with enormous cost, yet nothing good was accomplished other than to enrich and empower the elite.

Americans used to know constant war abroad leads to tyranny at home. We used to be a nation that knew this fundamental truth. Nonintervention was preached by the Founders and most Americans supported this policy. All lost to history that isn’t told.

 

This is a good example of the harmful effects of war propaganda. They must make Americans think another warmongering tyrant is around every corner. The powerful do this all the time to deceive the people into accepting more war.

Putin is the latest bogieman.

Somehow many people can’t see this reality, yet it’s been repeated over and over again.

 

Of course, but we just have an incompetent federal government and that is our fault if you accept the notion that we have a government "by the people."

 

And why should anybody bow to the demands of an enemy?

I think negotiating with an enemy is a fool's journey. One should only make demands of an enemy as Putin is doing.

Since NATO's purpose is to protect Europe from Russia why would they care that Putin tells them who can and cannot join it.

 

“We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of liberty.”
― John F. Kennedy

 

Just to be clear: Russia, in collusion with the Trump campaign, ATTEMPTED to harm our electoral process. What I believe resulted was the opposite. I think people will be more cautious about believing fake propaganda. This year we'll see if I'm right because they will use it EXTENSIVELY from now to November.

Not the topic so, carry on...

I have no idea what you're talking about. You responded to a post in which I criticized a meme in which the U.S. is accused of threatening to invade Russia (the topic of this thread). You describe the meme as calling out (directly quoting you) "Gov't Crime's and crimes against humanity"

And then you go on and on about Biden, and Zionism, and some fabricated claim attributed to me where I am supposed to have said that "Russia is losing", and then you jump to Israel, and then back to Ukraine, and "planes" and "helicopters", and "carriers"... and then to China.... and Palestine... an you end your long diatribe accusing me (and Biden) of being Zionists!

For God's sake, man! How can you ever expect to be right about... ANYTHING... if you can't even focus on the debate topic? Or, for that matter, at least on ANY single topic....

 

We DID listen to Chamberlain! And WWII DID happen. Most likely as a result of listening to Chamberlain.

God!!! Is it possible that I underestimated just how LOUSEY education in right-wing communities REALLY is?

I have a tendency to believe that most people in this forum know basic history. And maybe I'm overestimating some of them.