This is how the rich "create jobs"

I'm sure the Capitalist apologists would consider the former slave owner turned landlord a "job creator", like they do all other such privileged parasites. But he really and truly isn't. He's just an appropriator like most other so-called rich "job creators". They appropriate land, natural resources, and have other government issued privileges which force those who do the actual work to do their bidding. And yet some people think that just because somebody is in a position in a private entity where he gets to command other people around, whether employees or business "partners" (on whatever (*)(*)(*)(*)ty terms they had to accept), means that he's somehow a "job creator".

 

If you ask the right-wingers they will explain how wrong you are.

Today's job creators are benevolent, ethical, fair minded, and haven't one greedy bone in their bodies.

For example, if our oppressive government permitted Big Oil to drill unrestricted, and develop all sources of fossil fuels within our borders, these generous corporate leaders would have gasoline prices well below $1.00 per gallon.

The job creators are true patriots, and have always worked for the good of the nation. But, you imply avarice in the job creators, what proof do you have to support this?

 

The good of the nation? ROFL!

The good of their portfolios maybe. The good of their own and their families MAYBE. The nation??? NOT

 

People of reason are very aware the job creators do nothing that does not benefit themselves, and are more than willing to throw the U.S. and all of the middle and lower income citizens under a bus.

But the right-wingers have yet to come to this realization, they believe the job creators are gods to be worshiped.

 

That little story is neat, but it's not realistic. What about unions? The story completely ignores that part. And what about competition for workers between employers? Ignored that too.

 

that's what i was thinking.

 

I believe we merely need to end the distinction for capital gains as a form of income, whenever we have any natural rate of unemployment above three percent.

 

We need to end slavery again.

 

It is extremely realistic, and describes the essential nature of the relationship between landowner and worker.

It's true that if they are given legal privileges, those privileges can counter landowner privilege. Without privilege, unions are useful, like any other voluntary association for mutual benefit, but they cannot overturn economic law.

Wrong. Historically, unions, through legal privilege, have done well by their members, but only by impoverishing other workers that lack those privileges.

Flat wrong. Land rent is the RESULT OF the "competition for workers" between landowners. That was Ricardo's crucial insight.

 

And it utterly failed. Labor is commodity and like any other commodity it is affected by the law of supply and demand. Demand for labor becomes flat when government rules and regulations either price it out of the market or so raise the entry level requirements for new business that few if any bother to try.

 

That same old right wing song. "If businesses were free to do anything they please, all would be rosy."

We had that here in the U.S. years ago, and sweatshops were everywhere.

You right-wingers mistakenly believe removing laws that protect workers’ rights and guarantee safe working conditions would lead to prosperity for all.

This is simply more foolishness from that alternate reality you people call home.

 

Good strawman, And I hate to bust your bubble but otj injuries had been in decline for forty years before the first osha rule was written. In fact the best and earliest of the OSha rules were little more than the common sense work place rules that had been in use since the early days of the 20th century.

 

I am left to wonder why some of the anti-capitalist OWS types don't mortgage their house and add that to their life savings in order to start their own company, where they can benevolently hire as many workers as they want at higher than market wages and benefits, ignoring how this move makes it much more likely that their venture will fail, but at least they will be doing the right thing for society?

Instead of complaining about the job creators, simply become a shining beacon of integrity onself. Problem solved.

 

The decline of the middle class can be traced directly back to the employer philosophies espoused by the right-wingers.

Like the redistribution of wealth, the conservatives and neoconservatives believe loyalty should only run upwards.

 

As I said in my previous post, then go forth and invest everything you have into a business that practices what you preach. You will have nothing more to complain about, and I will take great pleasure in watching that business struggle to survive.

 

Yeah...all the fat cats are just going to "give up" and dismiss making oodles of profit, because the piles of cash that are there for them to take, via nearly slave labor wages, have some limits. Only 10 gazillion instead of 20 gazillion there to take so, I won't play. Yeah, right.

 

Did Wisconsin escape your memory? Unions are being crushed.

 

Short story concerning the direction profiteers will go when given the opportunity. My father working in a lead battery manufacturer. He got kidney damage, lost his legs due to complications of it, and went on dialysis from it. The company has long since relocated. Before they left, (and while he worked there), they buried toxic waste directly behind and beside their business. Nobody, to this day, realizes it. He's dead, the company is long gone, their waste still remains, (for somebody else to worry about), and they NEVER did a darn thing to help him with his dilemma. Instead, he was basically threatened that he could lose his job if he squawked, and so he kept quiet.
There's a perfect example of "business" gone wild, and what they will do for profit at ANY cost. We know how big "business" works. Profit........not people. PERIOD. Whine about regulations all you like. There aren't nearly enough of them, but the profit still runs wild, and THAT, my friends, is how unregulated/deregulated "business" operates.
By the way, he died very poor, and the battery manufacturer, is currently one of the biggest in the industry.

Give the corporate profiteer an inch, and he'll take 500 miles. GREED. It pays well, but only if you're at the top.

 

And even impoverishing workers who haven't been with them for very long, they must give favoritism to the old (*)(*)(*)(*) who have been there 20 or 30 years, even if that means they pay new employees less than those in similar positions elsewhere.

Except, we can make more land, via high rises or digging underground, or building ships/docks that extend out into the ocean.

Note that prices for housing stays pretty stagnant in places that have little to no restrictions on where you can build. They only increase as zoning boards rule out land for use in residential or industrial capacities.

 

I think you are right about the job creators not having one greedy bone in their bodies. And what better way than to let a Fox News commentator point that out for us; http://action.sumofus.org/a/daily-show-strike/?akid=2054.609245.v5gRa1&modal=false&rd=1&t=2

 

Wrong.

You want to allow some, favorited businesses to do what they want at taxpayers expense, while forcing other non-favorites to work harder and put up more resources that they don't have just to enter the market.

We want businesses to compete, to have their own need to convince customers to buy from them to keep them in check. This, along with professional associations of those in skilled and technical capacities, have done more to improve the quality of consumer goods and safety, than any regulation you can cite. Or at least, regulations the Federal Government came up with. Regulations by ICAO or IEEE have actually done some good, despite them being, on the whole, voluntary.

Sweatshops are a necessity for Industrialization. They don't come back after industrialization is achieved. The only reason they would come back, is if there's some sort of neo-industrialization economic paradigm on the horizon, with an infrastructure few, if any, knows how to make. But I'm not seeing that.

 

I'm really truly sorry! Unfortunately, this is the cycle of big business, its story, and its stranglehold on our society. Your fathers story is just another example of what capitalism really is; MAFIA CORPORATISM and their sponsors. Citizens United, ALEC, Heritage Foundation! And there is no telling who else.

 

You obviously aren't paying attention to what is happening here in the U.S.

The middle and lower income families are losing ground every day.

Cities are falling apart and the industry you boast of is leaving this country so they can pay foreign workers pennies per day.

This has been going on for the past thirty years, and those who cannot see this are also unable to see the causes.

The working class of the United States is being slowly starved out, and we passed the point of no return during Dubya's administration. With or without the obstructionism of the G"NO"P the economy was finished off by the Great Republican Recession of 2008. There will be little, if any recovery, the job creators no longer need the American workers.

Except for service jobs, most U.S. workers are now obsolete, and will soon be scratching and clawing to get jobs paying the minimum. If you will open your eyes you can see this “paradigm,” it’s been developing for three decades.

 

Any specifics?

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I believe we should take law titles at their word and let people insist on being hired in any Right to Work State.

 

We handed out over $2 trillion dollars of free money to the job creators and it ended up being corporate welfare instead of jobs. We should demand our money back. Those folks like you say, don't need us any longer.