and the science shows (which you refuse to accept) that a symbiotic relationship is not always beneficial to the host, and that parasitism IS a symbiotic relationship. how do you put it DENIAL
Fugazi... According to science, is a human being while in the fetal stage of their life a parasite? Yes or no?
What on earth makes you think you can demand answers from me when you have evaded the questions I have asked .. presumptuous doesn't even come close, you want an answer to your question then answer mine.
The answer is no. I wasn't demanding anything from you. I know how futile it is to expect a pro-abort to cede even the smallest of points in an abortion debate.
wrong again Oh sorry how about asking a question in answer to a question then. you mean like you failing to cede the fact that a fetus/female relationship is amensalism and parasitism .. yeah I do understand how you feel.
I told you exactly why that would not work on this forum...it is against the rules. I was told I could not start a discussion that excludes people. Now can you comprehend that? I am not going to start a formal debate on some forum when your groupies come in and try to derail what I post. Not gonna happen. I told you that if you want to debate I would be happy to do so in a place where we can do that. Private message...or another forum. I started a thread for Christians only about abortion and you and others would not allow that to happen. I was told once again by the mods that anyone can enter in the debate they would not stop people from doing so. So do you now comprehend what I just said. Find a place or lets go at it in PM. Would love to do it...... - - - Updated - - - Would love to know before hand Fugazi what position you will be going by...during the debate. Viability at 16 weeks, 21 weeks, 26 weeks...or your newest, no restrictions at all. Would you be changing positions mid stream or will you finally stick to one you think might work?
Funny that because I have also been in conversation with MOD's and they tell me that if a MOD is requested to oversee a one on one debate they will help out with removing comments .. there is also the fact that any comments made not from the two people can be ignored .. to me it sounds like excuses to run and hide. I won't do it through PM as you could easily deny anything that is sent, and as it is against the rules to put PM messages into the public forum it would serve no purpose. My aim is pure and simple, to destroy (as has already been done) any and all arguments you put forward, and it will be easy as you can't even be bothered to research the items you do try to use, case in in point - the Sanger quotes. Does it make any difference to you, or is it a bit to much trouble for you keep updating you "file" on me .. one would almost think you have an obsession with other people. - - - Updated - - - Really, evidence is required for that .. oh sorry I forgot you don't do relevant evidence.
Well you have an in with the mods then...LMAO. This would not be fair at all. I tried to start a dialogue with Christians about a topic and they tell me that I can't. That anyone who wants to add their two cents can do it. And now they tell you they won't let anyone come in to slam, bash or make pot shots? Let me guess what mod this was? LMAO I am told that the mods are busy at work daily trying to police this place. And they could find time to control a one on one debate? LMAO Yea...right. I would love to do this...but this is not the forum to do so. Not a neutral site. You think you could debate anything anyway without your pro-abort friends here spurring you on? Is that why you don't want a private debate? Can't do it on your own? Need some help? I have already ripped apart your position actually as you change it daily. What is it today? And why wouldn't PM work? This is a debate between two people anyway...not a group. Or can't you do anything on your own? The Sanger quotes are historical...and accurate. You don't like this so it would not work as you can't step out of your pro-abort box long enough to investigate yourself. How can one debate someone when they deny the truth that is already been presented through books, speeches etc. She said what she said. As for your position...which one would you be using. I could give you four different ones....what is the latest?
I don’t think anyone here has ever denied what she said, but what has been denied is your effort to pervert the context of those quotes and somehow prove they influence Planned Parenthood today. The real irony is that Margaret Sanger would be on your side of the abortion debate. Not ours. You're actually attacking your own and proving the existence of racism/euthenics in the pro-life movement.
Actually, yet again you misrepresent what I said, if you read it (that is if you can read English) I said that a MOD would help moderate a one on one debate, and you still haven't answered why you would incapable of ignoring any comments apart from mine .. do you not have the self control to do this? But you won't will you, always finding excuses, always running away .. just as you have from the scriptures, abortion debate, and I need no one to "spur" me on, unlike you with your groupies loving everything you post. You only think you have "ripped" apart my position, I'm afraid reality is very different and as I have already said if you are so sure you can get the better of me - prove it, put your money where your mouth is, or are you scared. nope, they are not . .some are cherry picked with relevant words missed out or changed, some are quoted completely out of context . .so that pisses on your fire, but the truth has the tendency to do that to a liar. considering you are the one posting directly from sites that have misrepresented Sangers words, your comment is priceless .. Every single time you have misquoted or misrepresented her words I have proved it by linking to her actual books, speeches etc where as yours have all been second hand edited quotes from pro-life sites and you claim I don't investigate .. oh that is just so funny. Admit it your lies have been uncovered and you just can't face that fact. Why don't you pick one as it seems you have this obsession with me.
And if you could comprehend you would have gotten what I had said. I have no problem debating you none at all. I was told that the mods had busy jobs....just keeping track of all the abortion threads...that they could not possibly find every infraction that goes on here. True....they are busy. So your telling me one is going to take the time to keep us from killing one another in a debate? LMAO Who would do this....Grannie, Makedde or one of the other pro-abort mods we have on this forum. LMAO I would much rather have them do that busy job of handing out infractions wouldn't you? I told you I would debate you no problem have done it plenty of times on other forums. In fact I could just cut and paste the answers I gave in those debates...because it always end up in the same place. I am not running...but this site is pro-abortion...IMO. And I am not going to engage in a tug of war..with you, your pro-abort groupies...sorry. So what your telling me is this......Sanger would be off limits, right? LMAO What else gets tossed out? Then lets throw Guttmacuher out...and also PP. You can't use anything from either source. LMAO I will list your positions here you tell me which one you would use ok...I am curious. This is not an obsession its just that you change your mind everyday. 1. "MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT 21 WEEKS IS THE TIME FOR AN ELECTIVE ABORTION TO NOT BE ALLOWED FOR THE REASON AS FOLLOWS, AT 21 WEEKS A FETUS HAS A CHANCE OF SURVIVING OUTSIDE OF THE WOMB (ALL BE IT A VERY SMALL ONE)" 2. "(I believe that every woman has the choice whether to terminate her pregnancy up to the point of viability (currently set at around 24 weeks), after that it should only be approved if the womans life is in danger or the fetus has something making it incompatible with life. 3. "I've tried to be in a compromising state of mind with pro-lifers. No more, I only said that I would ban abortions after a specific time to offer some sort of middle ground to pro-lifers .. you really want to know what I stand for, the right of a woman to abort at anytime for any reason . .so now you can change the record." I have ripped apart...all of your positions....1-2 and now 3........bring on 4. I guess ....If they allow me to have a thread that ONLY CHRISTIANS can discuss abortion and they find someone without a bias and lock it so that no one can derail it...then it's a go. With one rule...that you pick one of your positions and stick to it.
maybe you should try it sometimes, oh yeah you did .. and ran away crying "You don't get it" Sheesh, and you say I can't comprehend .. what part of "help out" don't you understand or "ignore comments" .. tell you what YOU can ask the MOD you want. you've tried on a number of occasions, on every single one you have run with your tail between your legs. Denial is a terrible thing .. you are running at every possible chance you can get. NOTHING gets tossed out, you want to debate Sanger, go for it (even though I've proven you and the sutes you use to be liars already) and for the record (if you even bothered to look at the sources I post) I rarely if ever use Guttmacuher or PP. Nah, your not curious, you are obsessed ,, if you say shrieking "hypocrite" at every single thread you hi-jack is "ripping apart" then I guess you win hands down The challenge is there, all that remains is to see if you have the balls to try it, which IMHO you don't .. mouth and no trousers springs to mind. How can I as an heathen enter you Christian only thread if it's only for Christians
What are you talking about? I do know abortion and have a connection to it. And what was yours? ~Edit/Reply to deleted ~
The rules prohibit me from saying what I wish and your baiting. I told you I would debate you at a place that it would not get derailed by your friends. This site is pro-abortion and it would not be fair. Who would moderate...? LMAO Which pro-abort mod would step forward and do this? LMAO You have never proved squat.... anything but that you don't even know your own position. Fugazi said.....I've tried to be in a compromising state of mind with pro-lifers. No more, I only said that I would ban abortions after a specific time to offer some sort of middle ground to pro-lifers .. you really want to know what I stand for, the right od a woman to abort at anytime for any reason . .so now you can change the record. LMAO Compromise? You? Compromise what and from which position? Ban abortion? Middle ground? So you misrepresented yourself all along...until the facts presented before you about your own abortion position got the better of you and you had to come clean. All I can say.....the time spend to debunk your position was well worth it. You say this site is not pro-abortion? Ok list the number of pro-lifers that regularly debate here each day? How many are there of us? Now how many are there of pro-aborts? The moderators have a right to their own opinions...so how many are pro-abort and how many pro-life? It is overwhelmingly pro-abort on this forum. So don't even suggest it is not. As for the thread I tried to start it was intended to be for Christians to discuss the scriptures and abortion...not those who reject Christ. So if you reject him as you have done I believe, then that thread would not be meant for you. But you would never sit by and allow that to happen...because as the majority here are pro-abort..the majority too are nonbelievers and hate Christians and love to make pot shots whenever they can. I was told...I could not have a thread that stopped anyone from posting. I can't reveal the mod..and post the conversation as this is against the rules. But a debate like your talking would be against the rules. That does not mean I am scared of you...and as I said again....lets start it in PM. That way when I blow your position out of the water....you won't be embarrassed.
Perhaps Fugazi meant to set up a debate in this area. It can work as a one-on-one or a team debate. http://www.politicalforum.com/debates-contests/
I've already offered that, but it has been refused .. I'd like to say why but I have now been warned not to.
A one on one debate....so let me get this straight grannie..for the record. I have the conversation and response back from a mod when they told me I could not have a conversation with Christians only about abortion, in a thread I started. It was derailed. LMAO May I post it for all to see? So now your telling me someone has enough time to monitor a debate? Can anyone make comments? - - - Updated - - - WEll I can't say what I want to say because I have been warned as well.
I don't know how the debate forum works. I am only saying that it may be what Fugazi intended when he suggested that. I wish I could explain it, but you'll have to contact a more experienced mod if you want to utilize that feature.
OK, bored with the running, the challenge is up http://www.politicalforum.com/debat...lenge-chruch-mouse-debate.html#post1063016985
Since the precedent of Roe versus Wade was set by the Supreme Court in 1973, over 54 million unborn little lives have been killed, more than the entire population of Spain. That's 1 life every 20 seconds. By the time you finish reading this article, more than 30 innocent lives will be lost. Gods plan for them will be ruined forever. Can we remain indifferent to such immense human slaughter? NO. Abortion is a direct attack on the most fundamental human relationship of allthe bond between a mother and her child. "Pregnancy termination" stops the beating heart of a growing human being, and has left America as a country unable to repopulate itself without the aid of mass immigration. Abortion is an evil that perpetuates evil. The abortion mentality destroys the family by making it more difficult for new Americans who survive beyond the womb to find the family welded together by the indissoluble bond of marriage solely between a man and a woman. Children need families that will nurture them, guard their innocence and develop their personalities. If we can sacrifice the lives of our own children for our personal convenience, who else will we as a society being willing to sacrifice? The unborn child's heart starts beating at 20 days and the brain activity can be detected at 40 days. If these factors are used by the law to determine death, why can't they be used to determine life?
You can ban abortion but you'll never make a dent in the number of abortions. Do you think some Texas cheerleader debutante is not going to get an abortion if she wants one just because her parents are religious right? Hell no, they'll pay for her 'vacation' in Europe.
And if an American mother takes her 3 children to some remote area of Somalia and kills them there, do you think she can escape punishment? No, the authorities in her home country will likely look into the matter. Just because something is legal in another country does not mean it is legal for you to go to that other country and do it.
