Three Strikes Law?

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  1. droberto

    droberto Newly Registered

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    Hello, I am a high school student taking part in a project which revolves around the California propositions in the upcoming polls. I am conducting some work about Prop 36, the reform of the Three Strikes Law. Yeson36.com is in favor of the prop to be passed, which will restore the original intent of the law, by only convicting the serious and violent prisoners behind bars, while those who have been sentenced for non-serious and non-violent crimes to be re-sentenced or released depending on the judge. Savethreestrikes.com wants to keep the law the way it is, by just sentencing criminals to life serious or non-serious there offenses they are convicted for. My question to anyone is: How do you feel about this law, and would you vote yes or no? Thank you for your time and consideration.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    A couple of days ago in Oakland, CA, during a protest march, one person was arrested for a FELONY crime; the accused crime was the protester throwing a rock at a police officer.

    If this person already has two strikes, I'm assuming this additional FELONY crime is the 3rd strike, and therefore goes to jail for life.

    IMO this is about as stupid as stupid can get...
     
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    I live in the bay area. I voted for it.
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My familyand I left California in 1966 after my parents saw the effects of liberalization.

    Look at the murder and overall crime rates back in 1960 and today. Why do so many liberals in CA and the US find the current conditions acceptable?

    Anyone who thinks crime will go down by mollycoddling violent prisoners, and reducing restrictions and punishments like the 3 strikes laws, is naive or foolish. Gang members and drug dealers who may not be convicted of violent acts themselves and are very often part of a larger, violent network of crime. Liberal-left mainstream media and politicians push the notion that the poor drug dealer is just a victim of "the system," and should not have to serve hard time for selling dangerous and addictive substances like heroin and cocaine.

    If California and the nation wants to reduce crime, it must go back to what worked, to what the laws and the prision system was back before it was hijacked by liberals in the late 1950's.

    1). No real reform can happen until federal courts are stripped of their unconstitutional abuse of judical review. All federal judges must rely completely on what the orginal intent and meaning of a law was back when it was written, and the common application of the law back in the day.

    2). Capital punishment is the real answer. As hardened felons were routinely hanged by in 1789, the death penalty was not "cruel or unusual." A new, better 3 strikes law would be to hang all repeat violent felons on the day after their third-plus conviction. These felons have alreasy been given their "due" process by being allowed to live after their first two convictions. Appeals processess for criminals should never go past one year, as they rarely did before liberal courts bypassed state and federal laws. Capital murderers can of course be hanged after their first act.

    3). Hard labor in the form of chain gangs will allow shorter sentances for those that are not too violent to work with others. The absoulete stupidity of current prison arrangements in CA allow convicts to sit around all day, form into racial gangs, kill each other, and organize more criminal activity.
     
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    Trimming the glass won't kill the roots.
     
  6. cjm2003ca

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    three strikes law has a lot of leeway in it..its just not 3 violations and then life in prison..the crimes have to be violent or somewhat the same type..like 3 times for rape or three times for sexually abusing children..i know of a few that have had 3 times for drugs and they still are around..
     
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    People should be equally punished for what they actually do. I think any such creative sentences such as three strikes laws, mandatory minimums or treating underage people as adults are inherently unjust and immoral.
     
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    I know someone with two strikes who has them both for selling arms and he will go away for life if he's caught with even possession of drugs for personal use. It doesn't seem that lenient to me.
     
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    they will threaten him now but in calif the judge will do differently when the time comes..he needs to wake up and change his life around..what types of arms ak47? pot? calif doesnt care about that in grows like a weed out here..its everywhere
     
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    He's lived in CA all his life. I don't know he never told me. He has a 215 card so that's not the issue, but if he gets caught trying to have too much fun at a concert he goes away for life? He has turned his life around btw...otherwise he'd be in jail. Assuming that someone who is once a criminal is always a criminal is a big part of what is wrong with justice today.
     
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    Thanks to people like you who support soft treatment for felons, we have the terrible crime and prison system where felons repeat their crimes at 67% and up (depending on how jacked-up any given justice system is).

    I don't discriminate on age, as you do. If a 13 year old commited an outlandish act of murder or other horrific crime he would have to face execution based on the facts just as a 21 year old would. I certainly don't need the warped views of some federal judge to dictate what is moral, just or what they think the law should be.

    What is the purpose of prison then? Is it to punish wrongdoing, or to rehabilitate? If you think rehabilitation is the answer, then why are crime rates 100 times higher now than 50 years ago before liberals took control? Since prison sentances are only about 30% effective (at best), would you trust in a car, insurance policy or anything else that didn't work 70% of the time?

    The 3 strikes laws are only a stop-gap measure to keep career felons off the streets. All of them are quilty after 3+ convictions of at least one of their crimes---or maybe not if you were to believe terrorist support groups like Project Innocence. Because of federal court rulings, the death penalty has been rendered almost ineffective as a working deterrant.

    Until the end of days, or the stranglehold of federal judical control is broken, there is no hope of crime returning to the low levels of before 50 years ago.
     

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