To anybody who believes the Hamas-Israel protests are two-dimensional...

Ok. So your position is that genocide with weapons WE provide is ok unless there are gas chambers and millions of dead involved. Obviously protesters are smarter than that and they're not going to share such an absurd position.

 

I've literally had far right wingers both accuse me of being a Zionist and being an anti-Israel supporter of Jewish genocide.

 

If only they were attacking people while wearing khakis, carrying tiki torches, and chanting "Jews will not replace us."

 

It's his son-in-law and his son-in-law's family. And Kushner isn't exactly popular among Trump's farthest right supporters. They sure loved it when Kanye got an invite to dinner with Trump after calling for "death con" on Jews and brought his openly neo-Nazi pet Fuentes along.

 

As I pointed out to you already, there is no genocide being committed by the Israelis. There are civilian casualties, but no genocide.

 

WHATEVER you want to call killing thousands of innocent civilians. That's what they are protesting. And their point is made every time somebody thinks that they rebut them by debating semantics.

 

The point of me asking the question was that it hasn't worked so far.

Wait, you think that because they elected them and kept them in power for 20 somehow absolves them of complicity?!! It doesn't.

Maybe NOW, and honestly, I'm not believing they had no interest in fighting. You knew who your leaders were/are.

Did we attack them because of MAGA? That would be the equivalent.

If we attacked them in the same manner that Hamas did to Israel, I would say they were wrong, yes. Why? We know what MAGA is and what they want and we let them be in power.

I guess that depends on which side your viewing the situation.

Look, I understand your humanitarian view but I also understand that with these parties the Israeli's HAVE turned the other cheek many times to no avail.

 

That answer doesn't really cut it. The killings were terrorism.
What didn't I answer?

 

Worthless questions

A worthless statement.
The statements by you are the epic fails.

By your logic a college graduate is no smarter or educated than a high schooler. Brilliant.

This conversation is over.

 

And then he doubled down and increased our involvement. Isn't that odd?

Right, they magically stopped with the election of Nixon. Nixon was elected in 68, the height of the war. He escalated the war during his first term. Kent State happened on his watch. The college takeovers happened on his watch. He FINALLY made an effort during his second term.
Like I said, you don't have a clue

 

This makes absolutely no sense.

 

Anyone who uses words without knowing their meaning is not capable of having a meaningful discussion.

Unfortunately, the words you choose to ignorantly bandy about entail serious moral and legal implications unto an entire country whose misuse is being used to ignorantly justify both verbal and physical assaults on its people and those of the same faith.

Your self admitted ignorant use of words is as irresponsible as it is dangerous. Such demagoguery has historically led directly to actual genocide.


So, for any future discussions:
Don’t cry genocide when there’s no genocide
Don’t cry rape when there’s no rape
Don’t cry murder when there’s no murder
Don’t cry racism when there’s no racism
Don’t cry ethnic cleansing when there’s no ethnic cleansing


Get the picture yet?

And when you get challenged on your way of thinking, be ready to actually back it the hell up

 

What conversation? You haven’t said anything yet

 

Christian Zionists believe they are the real Jews and that Ashkenazi are khazar converts

 

And it won't while an extremist right-wing nut like Netanyahu is in power.

They kept themselves in power. The civilians that Netanyahu is killing don't know anything about Democracy. Again: NOT an excuse to slaughter them.

I don't know what you're getting at, but there is NO excuse.... NONE... for genocide.

Really? I am exactly the opposite. I have no idea why ANYBODY would have an interest in fighting in a war.

Why are you asking me? It's YOUR scenario. You're the one who implies that it's ok if another country slaughters our population because we embraced MAGA.

Obviously, but that's not the question.

There is NO point of view in which committing genocide is justifiable. None!

Ok. Then you understand why people protest!

I don't know what you mean, but they need to stop doing whatever they've been doing and START seriously negotiating a two-state solution. Something they have NOT done.

 

I'll explain it to you: one factor (like you asked) that Hamas might want to live in a two-state solution is Israel's superior armory. You asked for ONE. If Israel moves towards a two-state solution and Hamas violates the agreement, the protests you see today will turn to the other side. And the whole world can participate in flushing out the terrorists. We've done that before. House to house in Iraq. That could even be part of the agreement, if Israel wanted.

 

Yeah, that worked well in October, huh?

Seriously? Based on what. Hamas support is going to switch after standing by them during during the carnage, violence and horror visited on Israel back in October didn't?

 

Hah! You thought that a two-state solution was what they had before October 7? Ok... funny as hell, but that tells us that it's pretty much hopeless to expect a serious debate about this topic with you.

Thanks for playing...

 

As usual – you wrote fantastic propaganda piece for poorly educated.
Yes, poorly educated will believe you that “most of the protests against Israel killing civilians in Gaza are just that: protests against Israel killing civilians in Gaza. Period!”.

Don't ask poorly educated when “protests against Israel killing civilians in Gaza are just that: protests against Israel killing civilians in Gaza” started.
Educated people know – it started after Hamas murdered about 1200 Israelis, mostly civilians, also raping and kidnapping even infants – BEFORE ISRAEL RESPONDED:
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/10/15/gaza-protest-harvard/

Poorly educated will also believe you that “the extreme right is anti-Semitic. […]But not too much more weird than people supporting Trump”
Yes, anti-Semitism – poorly educated know it - "is the Right and Trump”.

Educated people who know a little history know that the Left can be anti-Semitic too:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/politics/poland-anti-semitic-history-ukrainian-refugees/index.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slánský_trial

https://www.britannica.com/event/Doctors-Plot

Yes, responding to Oct 7 Hamas attack, bombing houses where Hamas fighters are hiding and killing civilians is genocide, but what is not genocide?

Killing Jews on Oct 7 is not genocide, killing 16 Jews driving 404 bus is not genocide, killing 22 Jews on Dizingoff Street is not genocide, killing 21 Jews in Beit Lid is not genocide, killing 26 Jews in bus 18 is not genocide, killing 19 Jews in Jerusalem is not genocide, killing 19 Jews in Jerusalem bus 18 is not genocide, full list here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks.

Killing civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Balkans was not a genocide, it was called 'collateral damage'.

Poorly educated will believe you that that "From the river to the sea... They DO use that slogan. But they have insisted it does NOT mean eradicate Israel”, but educated people read Hamas chapter: https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

Educated people know exactly what it means - Hamas chapter promise never make peace with Israel, replacing Israel by Muslim state where women, gays, lesbians, atheists and apostates will have the freedom as Sharia laws allow, probably similar to Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia or Sudan.

Educated people also remember that protesters strongly condemns Trump rapes, but did not condemned Hamas rapes, murders and kidnapping.

Because I also oppose Trump, lets pray that your propaganda for poorly educated works.

 

That very well could be true and if it is then that should be a big red flag for those thinking of voting for "tough guy" Trump.

I don't know how the voting works in Gaza but if they DID keep themselves in power and they had a population growth of 100% in those 20 years it would appear that people agreed with them in power.
As far a genocide, I think that's a bit of a stretch. We carpet bombed Germany and North Vietnam not to mention what we did to Japan and were never accused of genocide. This is war, just like then. This is Israel's 9th war.

Hate

 

Nope. Not at all. Hamas is dedicated to destroying Israel, not establishing a two state solution. That solution has been around for many years.

. Suggestion - maybe you have gotten a clarification before you wrote this idiotic crap. Now you look like a dunce. Thanks for playing.

 

And after all that the idiots appose to the war labeled the withdraw CUT AND RUN.. Nixon was always drawing down when became president.. I'm sure some might think he should have just pulled out of a (Then,) fifteen year war in like two or three weeks, but those with some intelligence know it could never happen that way..

All of your nonsense and bias idea's still doesn't dismiss the fact Nixon inherited and shitshow from four Democrat presidents, clearly something you haven't or willing to bring up

 

Let's hope so.

If doesn't. BTW, I misspoke. Hamas has NEVER won elections. The President of Palestine is Mohamoud Abbas. But he is recognized only in the West Bank. In Gaza Hamas does not recognize him as President and they simply took power.

Wrong! We WERE accused of genocide. And rightfully so! In WWII, for example, some 300 to 600 thousand civilians were killed by bombings in Germany. And about 200 thousand Japanese civilians. The majority of the bombings intentionally TARGETED civilians.
https://academic.oup.com/book/9859/chapter-abstract/157134577?redirectedFrom=fulltext

I participated in my High School/College years in protests similar to these against genocide in Viet Nam.

I'll say it one more time: NONE of this justifies Netanyahu's genocide in the Gaza Strip. This is the ONLY thing we need to be clear about.

 

You probably know that most of the quoted casualty figures come from the Gaza authority which is to say, HAMAS.

Also, that HAMAS does not distinguish between terrorist and civilian casualties.

What all this indicates is that the premise of your post is unsupported.

You also once again failed to mention the horrific slaughter of innocent Israelis by HAMAS.

You know, what started this war in the first place.

 

Wow, just like the right says about Afghanistan!!

Ummmm, no.
In 1969 "Under the provisions of this program, South Vietnamese forces would be built up so they could assume more responsibility for the war. As the South Vietnamese forces became more capable, U.S. forces would be withdrawn from combat and returned to the United States. In his speech, Nixon pointed out that he had already ordered the withdrawal of 60,000 U.S. troops. Concurrently, he had issued orders to provide the South Vietnamese with more modern equipment and weapons and increased the advisory effort, all as part of the “Vietnamization” program. As Nixon was holding his press conference, troops from the U.S. 25th Infantry Division (less the Second Brigade) began departing from Vietnam.

Nixon’s pronouncements that the war was ending proved premature. In April 1970, he expanded the war by ordering U.S. and South Vietnamese troops to attack communist sanctuaries in Cambodia. The resulting outcry across the United States led to a number of antiwar demonstrations—it was at one of these demonstrations that the National Guard shot four protesters at Kent State."

I didn't bring it up because it's not true, but you can prove it if you want. You won't because 1) you never prove anything you say and 2) you can't.

You do know that the insert you posted contradicts your argument.....right?

• Nixon gradually reduced the number of U.S. troops in Vietnam. By the early 1970s, the U.S. presence had significantly decreased.

Also, to put a fine point to it, your own source says the war ended in 1975. Nixon was long gone by then. His successor was also gone.

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