To the anti-Muslim crowd here: what say you of this?

in other words - you are advocating the mass slaughter of 1.3 billion people because of what you claim they believe.


lols - its interesting you clam they are wanting to ambush and kill you - when its you who is promoting hatred and murdering of innocents.

you must be one of breivik's buddies.

you are no different from the nazis of 1930's germany with your hate speech.

you are also really quite ignorant of the geopolitics if you think that is what muslims are about, and your ignorance of Islam is based on your being a devotee of some goebbels like troll who cherry picks the koran to make it look like a religion of hate.

you should really check out the bible sometime.

people like you are an advertisement for american ignorance.

 

where the hell did you get 270 million at!?!?!?
The mongols are probably the only people to ever come close to that...

 

Pretty much this.

 

I still don't get what it is about your culture that makes americans so black and white about everything.

of course no reasonable person in this day and age wants stoning to death and hands being cut off as punishments handed down in your legal system.

the vast majority of muslims included.

BUT sharia law is a lot more than that, and has been stated elsewhere (not sure if in this thread) there are nations that have limited jurisdictions where sharia (and other legal systems) are practised - usually in the area of civil law. There are even some exceptions so that traditional laws can even be included in cases of criminal law - however with limited application.

I support the right of people to use - legally - other methods of contractual and dispute resolution, provided these methods do not impinge on the minimum standards we accept in our own legal/cultural system - and I can think of no cases where the introduction of these systems has done so.

On a related issue though - I think there are other things that are more likely to erode the standards that I associate with living in a modern western democracy. I have been extremely disturbed by the willingness to support the use of torture, and to celebrate the deaths of certain people - without proper legal process - as just some examples of an increasing level of acceptance and support for barbarous behaviour on behalf of the people.

I think this trend is extremely dangerous.

 

Easy now. Don't go putting words in people's mouths. That;s a clear path to losing every argument you'll ever have. I never promoted murdering innocents, you said that. I only advocate killing those who are actively trying to kill me and all non-Muslims. So that would be the troops in Afghanistan fighting against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. Nice try though. You really thought you had a villainize going ther didn't you. LOL.

Also, if you want to talk about ignorance, would you like to be the latest Islamapologist fool who flunks the Islamization Quiz with a zero like all the rest of the airheads who have proven THEIR ignorance, while I have proven my knowledge ? If not, you better go easy with the ignorance word, or I'm going to toss the Quiz at you, so everyone can see how ignorant YOU are.

 

I "claim" they are wanting to ambush and kill us ? (non-Muslims). LOL. I don't have to claim that. THEY claim that in the Quran (for 1400 years now, totally unreformed) : "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Quran 9:5;

And I have no need for checking out the bible, nor does one ever have to "cherry-pick" the Koran to find killing and hatred. Those things are rampant throughout the book of hate. They are defining. Also, what's wrong with cherry-picking ? So what. If there's bad stuff there, it should be observed and reported and reformed. Would you say someone who removes an uncapped gas can from their garage is "cherry-picking". If there were no bad parts of the Koran, one wouldn't have to "cherry-pick". The mere fact that cherry-picking is applicable, shows the Koran is foul in its 1400 year unreformed state.

 

Laughable that you give Sharia law a pass and then refer to modern western democracy as "barabarous". HA HA. Well, who doesn't "support the right of people to use - legally - other methods of contractual and dispute resolution, provided these methods do not impinge on the minimum standards we accept in our own legal/cultural system" ? And I know of no one who would not support that. But who's talking about that ?

When it comes to Islam (the subject of this thread) the standards of our legal/cultural system are threatened to be ABOLISHED, starting with the US Constitution, and regressing right down the line to a long list of suppression of rights. Like the right to eat pork products (anywhere). Like the right to not have your college tuition raised so that a special interest group can have foot-washing basins installed. Like the right of blind people (with guide dogs) to ride in taxis (or anyone with a dog). Like the right of people carrying alcoholic beverages to ride in taxis. Like the right of schoolkids to be taught the truth about everything (including Islam) as its been shown they weren't. Like the right of people in airplanes to not have aisles blocked, so that Muslim fools can bow down to recite prayers. Like the right of motorists to come and go freely rather than be caught in traffic jams caused by mobs of praying Muslims. Like the right of people to have their parking laws observed, and not have exceptions granted for Muslims. Like the right to draw cartoons and exercise freedom of speech without reprisal. Like the right of wives to not be beaten by their husbands. Like the right of doctors to practice medicine in hospitals, without being told by Muslims how they may or may not do it. Like the right of schoolgirls to escape from a burning building, with having nutball Muslims interfere with firefighters and rescue workers, because the girls didn't have all their robes and head scarves on.
Like the right of Muslims to claim supremacy over everything ( a violation of Article 6 section 2 of the US Constitution - the Supremacy Clause). Like the right to possess pig-related things (piggy banks, Winnie the Pooh books/videos, pigskin items, etc). Like the right to kill animals in violation of animal cruelty laws. Like the right to kill non-Muslims, gays, or whoever. Like the right of black Africans (or Americans) to not be kidnapped and enslaved, like the right of children to not be sexually molested by pedophiles. Like the right to make movies however you choose, rather than within guidelines set by Muslims. Like hundreds of other rights that could be added to this list if I wished to be more complete with it.

 

Fantastic-a litany of right-wing, anti-Muslim propaganda presented as 'evidence'?

 

No it isn't. Unless you can provide evidence that it is. Thought not...

 

Jews may not have been doing the 'running around' and demanding. Christians have-and have been equally indiscriminatory about whom they killed, and where. I also wouldn't try the selective quoting you're indulging in. I can be equally selective and 'prove' what a disgustingly belligerent and hateful religion christianity is.
The Israelis simply go out and assassinate people they don't like.

 

so how come you missed this?

and how come you are not aware that tolerance has long been extended to people of non abrahanic faiths - including the hindus and the buddhists - and post Islamic monotheic faiths such as the druze?

its because you don't know what you are talking about.

your use of the quran is the same as someone taking this:

as representatative of what Jews and christians stand for.

see above - and there are plenty of poisonous passages in your holy book too - so why you believe that vile, murderous hatred is not part of your religion just proves you know about as much about your own faith as you do about Islam.

AND

your posts also prove that even today, your religion justifies the killing of people who don't share your beliefs - just like in the old testament.

 

Invalidation is hardwired into Islamapologists.

Many of the sources of the books I listed are US Government documentation
(ex. The Explanatory Memorandum of the Muslim Brotherhood ... Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al.) Are you suggesting these are "a litany of right-wing, anti-Muslim propaganda presented as 'evidence'" ? LOL.

Hundreds of other items in these books are FACTS of recent history. Thing that happened, not "propaganda.

You don't get away with that. The books I listed are FACTUAL with thousands of footnoted sourced references, and I am a far-left person politically, and protectionism from Islamization is not a "right-wing" thing. One of America's greatest protectionists ever was ex-President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who taxed the rich at 91-92% through his entire administration. Want to call him "right wing" ? You have a lot to learn about this subject. It's a lot broader than you envision.

 

do you have a literacy problem?

your paranoia and conspiracist thinking is pretty extreme.

have you ever been sectioned?

 

"Equally" indiscriminatory ? FALSE ! Christianity gave up its killing and brutalization (the Inquisition) hundreds of years ago, while Islamist maniacs have continued their murderous jihading. Also the quantities are no comparison. While the inquisition is known to have killed 150,000 people (Wikipedia), Muslims have killed 270 Million in all their murderous marauding for 1400 years. 1,800 times as mich. Islam is by far, the world's worst. No ideology, cult, religion, or nation even comes close.

"Selective" quoting ? HA HA. Yeah, I guess I'm selecting the thousands of incidences of jihadist violence and Islamization going on. I said incidences (that means actions, not just words). But words are important too. Like these words :

"The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan [Muslim Brotherhood in North America] must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands, and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated, and Allah's religion is made victorious over all religions."

Mohamed Akram, "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991, Government Exhibit 003-0085, United States vs. Holy Land Foundation, et al. 7 (21).

Your talk about Christianity being belligerent and hateful, indicates to me that you very likely are a typical hateful and belligerent Muslim. Jews don't slam Christianity. Buddhists and Hindus don't. Christians don't slam themselves. Only group known to consistently take shots at Christianity are Muslims. Every time I hear Christianity being attacked, it turns out to be a Muslim. It's the sure sign.

 

you demonstrate aptly that it is.

I have never met a muslim who has argued that all christians and/or Jews should be slaightered, however you argue that all muslims should be slaughtered.

this puts you on a par with the most extreme islamic fundamentalists - the only possible difference is that you aren't smart enough to make opportunities to kill as many muslims as you can.

 

No, I don't have a literacy problem. Do you ?

Interesting how you refer to FACTS of recent history as MY "paranoia" and "conspiracist thinking". Well, I have to say that the FACTS of history are not MINE. I don't own history. And as for the conspiracy of Islam to abolish the Constitution and set up an Islamic state, one would have to be living in a closet all their life to not know that. What do you think the Muslim Brotherhood's 1991 Explanatory Memorandum in North America is, a nursery rhyme ? Or the Muslim Brotherhood's infamous 1982 "Project" for Europe ? Or all the thousands of instances of Islamization (a FEW of which I mentioned) are. You think these are not real ? You want to pretend that people are just imagining these things ? Are you living in a dreamworld ? Quit pretending. You look silly.

 

lols - what? No atheists criticise christianity??


you had better go and tell that to all the believers in the religion section ...


but I digress - Hindus don't ccriticise christianity?

hmmm ....

http://www.srimatham.com/storage/docs/hindu-criticism-evangelical-christians.pdf

mind you it is a great article from any intelligent person's perspective ....

but its not all so civilised:

Jewish hositility to christianity of course isn't something we are allowed to talk about - its probably regarded as anti semitism:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/d...tians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/

and the Jewish term for a gentile woman is nothing short of offensive.
it

 

are you sure?

you don't seem to have the ability to comprehend my post - this suggests a reading comprehension problem.

 

I have spent long periods in three Islamic countries and visited a number of others - and I have daily contact with Muslims.

what you describe is as alien to most muslims as it is to me ...

it seems something you are more familiar with - with your desire to murder 1.3 billion people.

 

1. I didn't "miss" anything. The Koran has good pages and bad. Problem is the continued presence of the bad pages (suras) promote jihad. Get it ?

2. Tolerance has long been extended to Hindus and Buddists. Really ? Muslims have killed 80 million Hindus and 10 million Buddhists. Added to 60 million Christians, and 120 Million Africans, for a grand, shameful total of 270 Million. That's about as INtolerant as anything ever has been in all the history of the world.

3. I don't know what I'm talking about ? HA HA. I'm talking about Islamization like the hundreds of examples of it listed in the Islamization Quiz which I KNOW EVERY ONE OF. Want to take it, so you can show us how much YOU DON"T KNOW ?

4. I don't have a holy book. I belong to no organized religion, just like I am a registered Independent politically. I don't know what religion you're talking about that you say justifies killing people, but if it's Christianity you're referring to, you're talking out of your ass, and you know it. The "Old Testament is the same as the New Testament" line is about as credible as all the other hollow Islamapologist talking points (to nowhere) - like invalidation, "out-of-context", and "interpretation". HA HA. Yeah right !

You guys are running out of techniques. LOL. So far you haven't been doing very well.

 

You don't get it. Long periods of time in Islamic countries has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'm taking about what is occuring HERE in the USA (and in Europe). What I describe may be alien to you, but that doesn't change anything. They are facts of life in America and Europe, and those facts don't change, and they're not going to change no matter what you call them - "alien" or any other word.

And I already told you I do NOT desire to murder 1.3 billion people, so don't ever say that again !

 

I'm not really too concerned with what members of organized Christianity and Judaism are doing. Sorry if I just shot down one of your favorite Islamapologist subjects - Bwa ha ha ha ha (Burt Reynolds laugh) I couldn't resist that. LOL. The door was too wide open.

 

I'm reading you like a book. Playing you like a fiddle. Just be careful with that "ignorant" word. The Islamization Quiz is a keystroke away. LOL.

 

the only place we ever seem to read about the 270 million is on forums like this - in posts made by people who want to murder muslims - like yourself.

you crap on and on and on about muslims being violent - but it is you who said

Why do you think this statement is acceptable?

because whatever ideology you subscribe to is worse than Islam.

WRT the millions killed - can you PROVE that these people were killed because of Islam?

or even that these numbers are something that some xenophobic neo nazi didn't pull out of his bum?

I have said before that if you point to deaths involved in wars and invasions at the feet of Islam - then you need to also be laying all the deaths of indigenous and other people's through european expansion and colonisation at the foot of christianity as well.

and if you want to look at intolerance - take a good hard look at yourself.

people like you are a disgrace - and the fact that you vomit this kind of hate all over the internet provides ammunition for those wanting to recruit young muslims to extremist causes.

 

you are talking out of your arse.

there is NO EVIDENCE that Muslims are taking over your country - although maybe because they work harder, do better at school, and have a better work ethic than a lot of americans you might feel that they are taking over.

you could do better too if you focussed on doing something positive with your life.